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Many discussions today seem to center around the "evils" of organized religion today and on the "evils" of organized religion in the past. There is another way of looking at the various religions of the world that might help to "resolve the paradox" of the meaning of orthodox religion and the esoteric way.

I might quickly add, that the nature of duality is something that needs to be addressed much more than it is in esoteric disccusion. A more comprehensive understanding of the real meaning of duality will open up the heart to wisdom untold.

This idea could be applied to the problem of orthodox religion and the esoterism that is becoming so widely known and praticed today. I think it's important for esoterists of any variety to study the nature of the Orthodoxy as well.

It doesn't matter what religion your looking at, all of them will have an orthodoxy and an esoteric school associated with them. Christians/Gnostics, Buddhism/ Dozgchen, Hinduism/Tantra, Islam/Sufism, and so on. Each path seems to have an inner wisdom or teaching associated with it. The esoteric teaching of each path is usually described as being "for the few"...let's call it the road less traveled.

The whole meaning of the hermetic philosophy of as above, so below, is attributable to everything under the Sun. There are no exceptions, point blank. Well, let's apply it here:

The orthodoxy is the wide path of which the masses, the people, the common man is associated, in the hermetic understanding, he is the Below; he is a reflection of the the Below. The esoteric way is the narrow path of which the few, the elect, the disciples are following, he is the Above, he is the reflection of the Above. Does this mean that those following the esoteric way are better than those of the orthodoxy? Absolutely Not!!! Why? Because of the nature of Duality and Unity are misuderstood and grossly misapplied. The nature of Unity is to resolve all differences found in the Duality. The Duality is Illusory in Nature, the Orthodoxy and the Esoteric are One. We are all One, if only the Eye be Single.

For those that would argue, I would say, remember, dear one, the true Master is Servant to all. The call of the Esoteric Way, is a call to the Unity, for the Eye to be Single. To the profound Wisdom that lies in the recognition of these things. Intense meditation and study of the same will lead to astonishment, so step up lightly, humbly, but boldly, and turn thy Face to the Sun of Glory.

Many would argue, what of the Wars fought in the Name of Religion...any serious student of esotericism must needs have grappled with the nature of Evil. If you have not, get busy, you have much work to do. It doesn't matter what path you are on, the answers are all inside of you already. Seek them, Find them.

Have you issues with your brother who follows the Orthodox way? Do you think that he is wrong to follow this way because wars have been fought in the name of Religion? Then what wisdom have you to teach your brother?

Ask yourself this question..."Who would do violence to the Rose, to force open its petals before Nature hath of her Wisdom decreed that it Bloom?

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While I agree with the some of the concept you are portraying, I do not feel this is the case.

If the wars fought in the name if religion were so simple, maybe, but what of the fact that in many case, such as the church's persecution of Gnosticism, and attempted annihilation of its own esoteric tradition. Along these lines, aligning Gnosticism with heresy and condemning those who partake to the fiery depths of "hell". Also, they tell the followers of the Orthodoxy that there is only one path, and all others lead to condemnation, knowing this, how many of those would even ever seek and find the esoteric tradition under the threat of eternal damnation? What if they had succeeded, would we have an esoteric tradition at all?

Jesus himself spoke of this in Matthew, 23:14"But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! Because you shut up the Kingdom of Heaven against men; for you don't enter in yourselves, neither do you allow those who are entering in to enter. 23:15Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you travel around by sea and land to make one proselyte; and when he becomes one, you make him twice as much of a son of Gehenna as yourselves. , speaking of the Orthodoxy at the time.

I have no issues with my brothers of Orthodoxy, I do however have issues with those that keep them there and there only, under the pretense of losing their own soul.

In my opinion, Jesus was the esoteric, and MAN made it his own orthodoxy for his own purposes. Jesus never intended a religion be based around his teachings, it was meant to simply be a higher state of spirituality.

The Orthodoxy claim they are based of the teachings of Jesus, yet Jesus taught the esoteric, "To you it is given to know the mysteries of the Kingdom of Heaven, but it is not given to them. 13:12For whoever has, to him will be given, and he will have abundance, but whoever doesn't have, from him will be taken away even that which he has. 13:13Therefore I speak to them in parables, because seeing they don't see, and hearing, they don't hear, neither do they understand. 13:14In them the prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled, which says,

'By hearing you will hear,
And will in no way understand;

Seeing you will see,
And will in no way perceive:

13:15For this people's heart has grown callous,
Their ears are dull of hearing,
They have closed their eyes;

Or else perhaps they might perceive with their eyes,
Hear with their ears,
Understand with their heart,

And should turn again (to the esoteric);
And I would heal them.'

I believe the paradox in Christianity at least, could be easily solved by understanding the true nature of Jesus's teachings. Jesus was, in himself, as above, so below. As in heaven, so on earth. The wisdom I would try to teach my brother, is to listen to the teachings of Jesus and continue to seek and try to understand HIS teachings (parables and all), not that of their orthodoxy contained priest/father. For as he said, "Call NO man on earth father, for one is your father, he who is in heaven."

Great topic Alchemistra! Much to be said on this topic, in reconciling this aspect of our duality. Thanks for posting.
I totally agree with this, and, Orthodox Religion must spread its wings of tolerance and love to anything that seem to have a different view other than what they believe in.
Hi Folks,
It's been awhile since I stopped by, but, this is a conversation of great interest to me.
I agree that the church sought to close "the way" for it's followers.
Some, like Manly Hall, said that this was of necessity. That they had an exoteric philosophy for the masses and an esoteric philosophy for the initiates. He said that knowledge of hermetics was dangerous in the wrong hands.
I don't really believe that. I look at the story of Nicholas Flammel who upon studying that knowledge dedicated his life to giving and helping his fellow man. If we know the truth of the generosity of the Universe extended through ourselves, we give joyously.
It seems to me that there was more of empire in the hiding of that knowledge and control in particularly the Catholic church's "convert or die" strategy.
I'm reading a book right now called Jesus and the Lost Goddess by Timothy Freke and Peter Gandy. It's about the Gnostics and the original Christian teachings.
In it Jesus is defined as an archetype that man could follow and become the Godman that he is supposed to be.
I'll have to continue this later. My keyboard is giving me fits and I don't know how to fix it. There are some disadvantages to being a computer dummy.
Most of the time I would completely refrain from quoting scripture...

In the very same canon (Matthew) from which you have quoted we find:

"Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. And I will give to thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."

So here we find that in the canon and also in the gnostic scriptures, that we are forced to reconcile any differences between the Orthodoxy and to those of the Esoteric way, because Jesus has lauded both of them in a way unique to each.

And in the gnostic scriptures (the Gospel of Mary) when Peter contends against Mary Magdalene, another (Levi) defends her (the Esoteric teaching she was given directly by Jesus) saying:

"Peter, you are always angry. Now I see you contending against this woman as if against an adversary. If the savior made her worthy, who are you to reject her?"

And so this division continues even today because it is the nature of Duality to appear as two, when it is One, like two sides of the same coin.
Very good point!

I am not as familiar with the Gnostic scripture as I would like to be. Do you think Jesus' church was a physical/literal one? If so, did it require that Constantine re-create it at the council of nicea? Or was this assembly simply those who follow his teachings?

I need to read more on the Gnostic teachings, what canon was the quote "Howbeit the most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands; as saith the prophet", I think it was in Acts, but not the "red letters".

Your thoughts increase my confidence in the wisdom of his teachings, that he could truly speak to both the orthodoxy and the esoteric as one in the same, as you said two sides of the same coin.

I completely agree with you, we must reconcile the two. I am just weary when the church we see today, directly violates his teachings. Perhaps this is why in the revelation of John, most were found to be corrupted, the seven churches.

Your thoughts on this are awesome, and it really brings to mind something said in the Gospel of Thomas, Jesus said to them,

"When you make the two one, and when you
make the inside like the outside and the outside like the inside,
and the above like the below, and when you make the male and the
female one and the same, so that the male not be male nor the
female female; and when you fashion eyes in the place of an eye,
and a hand in place of a hand, and a foot in place of a foot, and
a likeness in place of a likeness; then will you enter [the
Of course the same could be said of the other religious traditions as well. I wasn't speaking only of Christianity...
Yes, it is Acts 7:48, the stoning of Stephen when he had his celestial vision...

Clearly this text, from the Gospel of Thomas, refers to and is directed to individuals, not groups:

"When you make the two one, and when you
make the inside like the outside and the outside like the inside,
and the above like the below, and when you make the male and the
female one and the same, so that the male not be male nor the
female female; and when you fashion eyes in the place of an eye,
and a hand in place of a hand, and a foot in place of a foot, and
a likeness in place of a likeness; then will you enter [the

Beautiful...Mind on Fire!!! Every paradox reconciled, somewhere, somehow, individually.

I am not familiar with all of the gnostic scripture either. But what I have seen of it further confirms my beliefs, and reinforces what I know of Hermeticism. In fact, many of the Hermetic scriptures are combined with the early gnostic (christian) scriptures in some Gnostic books. The greatest problem comes in trying to interpret every scripture literally.

Again, with regard to the personage of Jesus, we see the duality, he was, but he wasn't. There are gnostic traditions that imply that Jesus 1) was not of the flesh at all 2) did not perish on the cross...another paradox, hehe = D
Think it is important when discussion "religion" to differentiate between exoteric and esoteric traditions. While it seems that most esoteric branches appear to at least agree on major concepts, each exoteric tradition will be of local flavor. In a way all statements about reality are non-sense beyond personal experience - one of the keys to the esoteric traditions -, and hence it makes little reason to fight over them ;-)
On top of that, I do believe it is time to redeem religion. When you look at the Latin root, the concept of "organized religion" is practically an oxymoron, instead, it becomes a personal responsibility - and about the joy that comes with that ;-)
You made an very valid observation here, philip...

"In a way all statements about reality are non-sense beyond personal experience - one of the keys to the esoteric traditions..."

Knowledge, true knowledge (gnosis) is born of experience. You don't "know" a thing until you've experienced it directly. I can tell you what kind of pain it is to burn your finger, but until yours has met the fire, what do you really "know" of it?

Personal experience is Key. And the esoteric traditions say as much.
In general i have no issues with the Orthodox Religion, its in their insistence that theirs is the only sure way to God that im totally not comforatable with
We see in mainstream Christianity today a religion based on the man, instead of the teachings. Maybe not all the time, but for the most part there is more emphasis on the teacher and all these formalities, rather than what the teacher actually taught. Now granted inner christian perspectives would say that we need to examine the "Christ in us" concept and this would be true. Whether or not, Jesus Christ was a man in history or not I still think that these teachings still hold a lot of truth for us, as we work through our humanity to experience divinity.
Good point in the final word!


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