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  • Guntars Vecozols

the more i look the less meaning i find

  • Echemythia

right....

  • 11:10 AM
  • Ayrton Philips

do you feel there is a purpose but your out of the loop?

  • TlandCurtis

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-4M3BCwQ4k

  • Ayrton Philips

as if it's there 2 inches from your face but you can't grasp it and don't know what it is?

  • Guntars Vecozols

MAYBE

  • Ayrton Philips

Thanks Tl very nice

  • Guntars Vecozols

cant say shurely

  • Flôr da Mata

uau tlandcurtis..how auspicious...am listening to the long version Namastê

  • 12:04 PM
  • Guntars Vecozols

i am observing something i do not understand i cant understand why am i in it maybe like this

  • Ayrton Philips

Perhaps one cannot yet quite grasp the meaning or point of life, so leads you to believe that there is no meaning I know how you feel Guntars

  • Guntars Vecozols

but if in the end everything is meaningless do we need meaning?

  • Ayrton Philips

I think maybe because you cannot yet fully explain why we 'exsist', so for the time being you feel there is no meaning good question do you think we need meaning?

  • Guntars Vecozols

i think not and the world has proved it so

  • Ayrton Philips

perhaps there is no real meaning, but that could mean we have to make our own meaning?

  • Guntars Vecozols

many little meanings as far as i see there is no greater meaning only small ones

  • Ayrton Philips

maybe that is the 'real meaning of life', as the old saying goes 'life is what you make it'

  • Guntars Vecozols

is that career or mindset? brb

  • 12:09 PM
  • Ayrton Philips

maybe if life does have a meaning, then we could all just be sitting around on the journey, as if fate guides us all. but maybe if we believe there is no 'fate' as such that controls everything, and we do as we please i.e. create our own purposes and meanings then we are truely free with ironically would be 'the purpose of life' which* 'The purpose of life, is to establish your own purpose' perhaps food for thought I guess

  • 12:11 PM
  • Guntars Vecozols

i think we are in hell my friend

  • 12:13 PM
  • Guntars Vecozols

"the gift of life" to enyoy your life being born in africa and dying from famine sounds awsome or whatever more all the vile things what happen here on earth

  • 12:15 PM
  • Guntars Vecozols

better never to be born and i am a tittle responible for the occouring actions we are with our systems and our ambitions makes me sick

  • 12:16 PM
  • Guntars Vecozols

being born living in fear of everything and then dying and all of that for nothing you will never ever be anymore just wow sonuds awsome

  • 12:18 PM
  • Guntars Vecozols

fken consciouseness its an error like dreams are an error they shouldnt be research it if you are not shure about this

  • Ayrton Philips

but if we are to return back to the great spheres once we die, then perhaps we are in our hell right now or purgatory perhaps

  • Guntars Vecozols

what is a great sphere?

  • Ayrton Philips

I suppose more commonly 'Heaven'

  • Guntars Vecozols

but there is none

  • Echemythia

this is a fucking great conversation. lol.

  • Ayrton Philips

please join Echemythia, grab a chair lol

  • Echemythia

guntars is an excellent skeptic. and i am honestly sypathetic with guntars.

  • Ayrton Philips

how do you know there is no Heaven Guntars?

  • Echemythia

do you know that there is?

  • Ayrton Philips

I see his point and I often feel as he does, Im just saying ideas and theorys, my own opinion is yet to be decided thats what Im saying, you can say theres no Heaven just as easily as saying there is one the fact is, we don't really know, just have theories and ideas

  • Echemythia

excellent as well.

  • Guntars Vecozols

of course i cant be shure about anything i have learned in my lifetime, but as life goes i get all the evidence for no god and no heaven and zero for one to be

  • Echemythia

:D

  • Ayrton Philips

If we are to return to heaven when we die, then why do we breifly come here, if we don't, then why do we still breifly come here

  • Guntars Vecozols

e right back

  • Echemythia

why why why

  • Ayrton Philips

regardless of heaven or not, what is the purpose of being here

  • Echemythia

must there be one? i mean... i'd like for there to be.

  • Ayrton Philips

for the purpose of debating the purpose of life I think not I think we'd all like there to be

  • Echemythia

the question itself is fascinating... "what would you DO if there was no meaning in life? no purpose for living?"

  • Ayrton Philips

it certainly is my friend

  • Echemythia

why is our behavior so rooted in the need for meaning.

  • Ayrton Philips

I think we all search for meaning and purpose, its like our nature maybe the purpose of life is, to find A purpose to fulfil our needs lol

  • Echemythia

right... that's an existentialist thing that i've heard. "it's exactly because life is meaningless that we are free to give it meaning" but... idk what that does for me. lol.

  • Ayrton Philips

its a really interesting point but surely if we are free to find our own meaning, that could qualify as being the meaning of life? the 'opportunity' to discover meaning in our lives, IS the meaning of life perhaps?

  • 12:31 PM
  • Guntars Vecozols

hmmm

  • 12:32 PM
  • Guntars Vecozols

well one of them is Religion, but id doesn't fit me because i know it is not true

  • Echemythia

why does that have to be religion?

  • Ayrton Philips

unfortunately I have to go now, great discussion guys. I've been thinking of creating a group on here for such discussions, I might create on later and copy ours into it is you'd like?

  • Echemythia

sure! let us know.

  • Ayrton Philips

I think religion is a means of control, or perhaps guidence?

  • Echemythia

nihilistic sufferers.

  • Ayrton Philips

awesome!

  • Echemythia

lol.

  • Ayrton Philips

yea lol

  • Guntars Vecozols

ye

  • religion is created to be the one of meanings
  • like other ones created through minds of people

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I liked this discussion m;y opinion is that we as humans need meaning for whatever reason we do. jsut     like I belive hyumans need belif. too. I tried to not beleive in anything tried real hard and I felt hopeless and lost. kind of like If I felt there was no meaning to life. you know kind of hopeless and lost. I think thats an inner mechanism that makes me feel that way. like part of the universal laws. so to speak. I really think theres meaning Im not sure if the meaning is an individual purpose or a grand purpose that makes everything better. but I know it could be like the cycle of life. you know where one thing is meaning but it makes bigger things have meaning too and if the small thing didnt have meaning then the bigger thing wouldnt eitehr. its like were all connected somhow into this bigger meaning.. its like a perfect circle where one thing makes the other thing go. like the food chain. a lionhas to eat gazelles to feed himeself his meaningbut if he doesnt then the gazzelle population would eat all the grass and maybe throw the area into famine. a greater meaning. I hope this makes sense.

Really very nicely put Amber. I like how you explain small meaning with the Lion through to the big meaning of the grass, really interesting. How do you feel about the idea that maybe the meaning of life is to find our own meanings? Its pretty simular to your version of the Lions find their own meaning in eating gazelles, which therefore helps the bigger meaning, the prevention of the famine. So without our own meanings (the Lion) there is no meaning (the Grass).

I like how you said about trying not to believe but just feeling hopeless and los. How do you feel about atheism may I ask? I often feel that most people (at least from where I live) claim to be atheist (as it apparently makes them look cool not believing, but I don't think they truely are atheist. As in every day discussions they will innocently mention an afterlife etc etc. I think many believe in some form of afterlife perhaps without even realising it, or maybe they dont really understand atheism? At  least thats what I get from my sleepy little town lol

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