Rosicrucianism

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Comment by Excitorus on October 11, 2011 at 10:55pm

Surely, nothing has been done for which forgiveness would be needed.

It would be an error to presume that another fails to realize that "this is not 1500 A.D." ;^).  The danger which the Church posed to Europeans of the time has (mostly) passed (thus removing one reason for obscurity).  Still, an appreciation for classics does not make a person unable to live in the now.  And, to totally disregard the classics means to overlook the luminous words of those who have gone before us.  Why "recreate the wheel" if not necessary?  Or, on the other hand, why stick with the horse and buggy?  The only relevance is that behind the wheel or the buggy is the manifestation of movement -- truth of the underlying idea.

Thus, the driven aspirant will look for the underlying Truth in all that is encountered.  Though, ultimately, the student must learn to read for himself, and not rely so much on the literal words or sketched maps of others.

It is, of course, true that all knowledge and truth exists within.  But, so does the confusion and error of incorrect ideas accumulated over the many prior incarnations.  That is why the reformation is necessary; and why it is not so simple to truly change oneself or the world.

This is an era in which there is much talk of spirituality, heart and truth.  But, much of the underlying motivation remains in the fleeing from life's conflicts and a longing for a ideal of bliss.  In one sense this is valid, it is appropriate to the main current of evolution of the era.
On the other hand, this is only one impulse in the forward movement.  And, human evolution continues far, far into the distance beyond that first level of peace.
But, even to arrive firmly established at that first level, requires a level of effort far beyond what is considered by a tyro entering upon the Path.

"Know Thyself"

---  ---  ---

I CALL UPON THEE, O LIVING GOD, RADIANT
WITH ILLUMINATING FIRE! O UNSEEN
PARENT OF THE SUN! POUR FORTH THY
LIGHT GIVING POWER AND ENERGISE THY
DIVINE SPARK. ENTER INTO THIS FLAME
AND LET IT BE AGITATED BY THE BREATHS
OF THY HOLY SPIRIT. MANIFEST THY POWER
AND OPEN FOR ME THE TEMPLE OF
ALMIGHTY GOD WHICH IS WITHIN THIS FIRE!
MANIFEST THY LIGHT FOR MY
REGENERATION, AND LET THE BREADTH,
HEIGHT, FULLNESS AND CROWN OF THE
SOLAR RADIANCE APPEAR, AND MAY THE
GOD WITHIN SHINE FORTH.

--"The Comte de Gabalis," from an ancient Greek Papyrus

 

Comment by michael alaska on October 11, 2011 at 9:41pm

Thank you Excitorus

i understand trying to explain red, to whom may have never seen a cherry.

yes your right i'm sorry for my Quixote behavior, and offending the  sensibilities of any entity. my impatience is my downfall.

i buy, and share information all the time it is a hobby , i'm sorry to have created discord. 

your explanation is very helpful ,

 my own awareness has grown exponentially simply by reading a text and asking for understanding. believe what you may this is not 1500 ad ,,,, out of the shadows that seem to obscure the truth is a light that light is in ones heart where all truth resides.

  once we learn to see , open our minds eye. and live from the heart the truths become clear

 i beg you forgiveness karma is bad feelings gone spiritual, or is it Quatum physics?

 

i have enjoyed the quote from, ra schwaller de lubicz

Comment by Excitorus on October 11, 2011 at 1:17pm

Michael A>  "Why must i seek and find your deepest darkest secrets?"

Ex> Who stated that you "must" do anything?

You have "free will" (maybe).

(For that matter, Who written anything about "deepest darkest secrets?")


Michael A>  "Selling wisdom?"

Ex>  Who, here in this discussion, is "selling?"  (As if wisdom could be "sold.")

There seems to be an unstated objection here.  If you have some personal issue, it would be more fruitful to take it to the offending entity, and not assume that one who speaks in the same vicinity is a representative thereof.

It would also be wise to first have a clue about karmic effects before going Quixote against some entity the purpose and effects of which one may not be aware.


Michael A>  "[My] point is why not just tell it like it is?"

Ex>  Describe, without using example or arbitrary measurement, the experience of the color "red."

You might say, "It is the color of the [natural] rose."  But, this is only an exemplar case, it does not describe the color.
You might say it is the visual perception of light vibrations with a wavelength between approximately 620 - 750 nanometers.  But, this is only a measurement in arbitrary units.  It still does not describe the experience of "red."

Thus, the only way to convey the experience of "red" to another mind is through, first, bringing that mind to it's own experience (with an example) and teaching that the word-label "red" is used for that experience ; only afterwards, can there be agreement that the word "red" signifies the color experience.

Language, in general, has developed to label common physical, emotional and mental experience.  The only reason why language is effective is because of the agreement that a given word symbolizes a particular experience.  Thereafter, various manipulations of the language can be used to investigate relationship amongst those common experiences.

But, the esoteric is none of these things.  And, when the mind departs from the region of common experience, then language begins to fail.  The mind still must be led to the experience.  Thus, stories, parables, allegory and symbolism are the historic method of doing so simply because there is no other method, there are no words which can give the experience.

Only an attentive and sufficiently-developed aspirant will be capable of reading the esoteric meaning in such allegory.

And, the previous responses were in relation to the questions asked.  There was not intended to be the suggestion that the work in question would be a suitable study for the neophyte.  In fact, it was suggested that it is particularly obscure.

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"There is a sacred science, and for thousands of years countless inquisitive people have sought in vain to penetrate its 'secrets.'  It is as if they attempted to dig a hole in the sea with an ax.  The tool must be of the same nature as the objective to be worked upon.  Spirit is found only with spirit, and esoterism is the spiritual aspect of the world, inaccessible to cerebral intelligence.

"Those who profess to reveal the esoterism of such teachings are charlatans.  They may try to explain the implication of a certain word or formula as with a conventional secret, but with regard to sacred science, they will never be able to do more than put one word in place of another, and at best this will be bad literature replacing a simple idea.

"The true initiate can guide a gifted pupil and help him to travel more quickly along the path to consciousness, and the pupil, upon reaching stages of illumination by his own inner light, will read the esoterism of such teaching directly.  No one can do it for him."

R. A. Schwaller de Lubicz, "Esoterism and Symbol"

Comment by michael alaska on October 11, 2011 at 4:11am

The most famous of alchemical and Hermetic philosophers was Philippus
Aureolus Theophrastus Bombastus von Hohenheim. This man, who called himself
Paracelsus, declared that some day all the doctors of Europe would turn from the
other schools and, following him, revere him above every other physician. The
accepted date of the birth of Paracelsus is December 17, 1493. He was an only
child. Both his father and mother were interested in medicine and chemistry. His
father was a physician and his mother the superintendent of a hospital. While
still a youth, Paracelsus became greatly interested in the writings of Isaac of
Holland, and determined to reform the medical science of his day.

When twenty years old he began a series of travels which continued for about
twelve years. He visited many European countries, including Russia. It is
possible that he penetrated into Asia. It was in Constantinople that the great
secret of the Hermetic arts was bestowed upon him by Arabian adepts. His
knowledge of the Nature spirits and the inhabitants of the invisible worlds he
probably secured from the Brahmins of India with whom he came in contact either
directly or through their disciples. He became an army physician, and his
understanding and skill brought him great success.

Upon his return to Germany, he began his long-dreamed-of reformation of the
medical arts and sciences. He was opposed on every hand and criticized
unmercifully. His violent temper and tremendously strong personality undoubtedly
precipitated many storms upon his head which might have been avoided had he been
of a less caustic disposition. He flayed the apothecaries, asserting that they
did not use the proper ingredients in their prescriptions and did not consider
the needs of their patients, desiring only to collect exorbitant fees for their
concoctions.

Comment by michael alaska on October 11, 2011 at 3:26am

i forgot to add this.

 
The Real History of the Rosicrucians, by
Arthur Edward Waite, [1887], at sacred-texts.com

Comment by michael alaska on October 11, 2011 at 2:51am

 i my self was not born sinful,, my question is why so much time worrying about the sin of Adam

i have taught my children they ARE NOT born sinful ,, where does the idea originate from ?

and whose idea is it that Adam sinned or even existed ?

Comment by michael alaska on October 11, 2011 at 2:43am

III. In the third place, the Rosicrucian manifestoes contain the doctrine of
the signatura rerum, which again is of Paracelsian origin. This is the
"magical writing" referred to in the "Fama," and the mystic characters of that
"Book of Nature" which, according to the "Confessio," stands open "for all
eyes," but "can be read or understood by only a very few." These characters are
the seal of God imprinted "on the wonderful work of creation, on the heavens,
the earth, and on all beasts." 2 This "signature of things" is described by Paracelsus as "a
certain organic vital activity," which is frequently "expressed even in the
exterior form of things; and by observing that form we may learn something in
regard to their interior qualities, even without using our interior sight. We
see that the internal character of a man is often expressed in his exterior
appearance, even in the manner of his walking and in the sound of his voice.
Likewise the hidden character of things is to a certain extent expressed in
their outward forms. As long as man remained in a natural state, he recognised
the signatures of things and knew their true character; but the more he diverged
from the path of Nature, and the more his mind became captivated by illusive
external appearances, the more this power became lost." 3 The same doctrine is developed by the
most distinguished disciple of Paracelsus, the Kentish Rosicrucian, Robert
Fludd. "There are other invisible writings, secretly impressed on the leaves
of natures book ,,,,

 

sacred-text.com

 

me point is why not just tell it like it is ,, why must i seek and find your deepest darkest secrets ,,selling wisdom ??  allegory

Comment by michael alaska on October 11, 2011 at 2:33am

II. We find, in the next place, the doctrine of Elemental spirits, which it is a
common error to suppose originated with the Rosicrucians. This graceful and
fanciful hypothesis also owes its development, if not its invention, to the seer
of Hohenheim. It was naturalised on French soil by the author of the "Comte de
Gabalis," and is known chiefly in England through the preface to "The Rape of
the Lock," and of later years through the German "Romance of Undine," which has
been many times translated. "When you shall be numbered among the Children of
the philosophers," says the "Comte de Gabalis," "and when your eyes shall have
been strengthened by the use of the most sacred medecine, you will learn that
the Elements are inhabited by creatures of a singular perfection, from the
knowledge of, and communication with, whom the sin of Adam has deprived his most
wretched posterity. Yon vast space stretching between earth and Heaven has far
nobler dwellers than the birds and the gnats; these wide seas hold other guests
than the whales and the dolphins; the depths of the earth are not reserved for
the moles alone; and that element of fire which is nobler than all the rest was
not created to remain void and useless." According to Paracelsus, "the
Elementals are not spirits, because they have flesh, blood, and bones; they live
and propagate offspring; they eat and talk, act and sleep, &c. . . . They
are beings occupying,,,,,

 

from sacred-texts.com

Comment by michael alaska on October 11, 2011 at 2:27am

http://www.sacred-texts.com/eso/sta/sta35.htm

this i have as well, books are a part of life, the mysteries are becoming known, trying to weed out disinformation is cross checking others thoughts views and opinion. i hope this is ok.   

Comment by michael alaska on October 11, 2011 at 2:06am

http://www.blavatsky.net/blavatsky/arts/Elementals.htm

 

how close is Blavatsky in "part ll"

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