This is what transpired on Sunday, January 8th - 6:00pm  Central Standard Time

TOPIC: Astrology

HOST: Skywriter

This scheduled discussion will be around the topic of Astrology, and will attempt to help provide a foundational framework for astrological concepts and aspects to be understood.

This will potentially be the first in a series on Astrology, with further more advanced lessons to come - however a basic outline of the topic will be beneficial to the vast majority of seekers.

Please have a look at the supporting images while you browse this transcript...

http://www.esotericonline.net/group/astrology/page/esotericonline-a...

On behalf of Esoteric Online, thank you, thank you, thank you Skywriter!

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☤Tris☤

we'll all ow a couple more minutes for some to come online, then we will go ahead and begin tonights discussion

 

Skywriter

Sky is ready!

 

☤Tris☤

:)

 

Adam Heatley

hello all!

 

Skywriter

Hi Adam!

 

neps

Earth is ready too

 

Adam Heatley

=D

 

☤Tris☤

greetings adam

 

Adam Heatley

greetings

 

Skywriter

hehe neps

 

Daniel Silversun

hi every one

 

Skywriter

Hi Dan!

 

☤Tris☤

hello daniel

 

One Eternal Flame

oops I'm not late am I?

hello everyone!

 

Adam Heatley

2 minutes!

 

Skywriter

Nope Hi!

 

Adam Heatley

disgraceful!

 

Ommi

hi Dan

 

Skywriter

HAHAHAA!

 

☤Tris☤

Greetings everyone, thank you for being here this evening. It's great for us to get together like this, and explore subjects in a more real-time fashion. Please go ahead and say hello if you are here for tonights lesson and chat.

 

One Eternal Flame

hi Daniel

 

Sobroquet

Bah- a lotof sinful superstition

woe

 

Adam Heatley

sobroquet can i call you dr. woe?

 

☤Tris☤

I wanted to take a second to clarify the different types of chats we will be having. This one, as opposed to the last ones, will be more of an instructional or lesson type chat, in which our host will be directing the conversation and appropriate times for questions or comments.

 

ॐBlessedॐ

blessings my friends :)

 

Skywriter

Here we go! The goal of this series is to provide a solid traditional background of the Art & Science of Astrology. This is a vast concept so please be patient. It can be plenty of fun if you are open-minded and don’t panic!

 

☤Tris☤

I therefore kindly ask you to hold your questions and comments until prompted by the host for discussion in tonight lessons.

 

Sylvester PERRETT

Hi everyone.Just a quick peep

 

Ommi

hi Syl

 

Turukai

watches

 

Sylvester PERRETT

Hi Ommi

 

Skywriter

The more we cover, the more complex this becomes. I also will be directing you to a temporary page link in our Astrology Group here on EO for “visuals” as the chat progresses.

 

neps

hi lol

 

Daniel Silversun

lets get this party started

 

Sylvester PERRETT

Hear Hear

 

Adam Heatley

go go go!

;)

 

Skywriter

Everyone got that? Are you all ready? Remember wait for question prompts!

 

Sylvester PERRETT

Go

 

Skywriter

Let’s start with a little history. Astrology was conceived by the Babylonians in the Fifth Century BC. It was the Babylonians who invented the 360  wheel and who also devised a “fixed” or “sidereal” zodiac of twelve 30 degree signs.

They constructed a star catalogue which enabled them to reduce several centuries of observations into step by step tables of motion for the Sun, Moon and planets.

With this information they were able to postulate significant positions of the celestial bodies in signs of the zodiac. They observed celestial circumstances of the eclipses of the Sun and Moon.

The Egyptians actually had no astrology but rather a devised ring of 36 asterisms (stars) that later became known as decans.

These were mainly used to tell time at night, and since they had individual names, they were considered to be either “lucky” or “unlucky.”

At some point it occurred to them that an “asterism” on the eastern horizon at the time a child was born gave an indication of whether its life would be lucky or unlucky.

In the second century B.B. in Alexandria, Egypt, the population was a mix of Egyptians, Jews and Greeks.

The amalgam known as horoscopic astrology is the combined astrological ideas of the Babylonians that were known to the Jews, the Egyptian assessment of luck from the rising asterism and the Greek philosophical and religious concepts.

Hence forth they wrote treatises defining the rules of the new art and they prepared a set of astronomical tables referred to a fixed zodiac.

These treatises were issued under the names of Nechepso, Petosiris, Hermes, Abram and Aseculapius. None of these works have come down to us intact but only in partial citations by later astrologers.

However, from the outset, Greek was the principal language of astrology which is why the Greeks are credited with personalizing astrology. The word HOROSCOPE comes from the Greek meaning “hour pointer”.

Is everyone keeping up OK?

 

Sylvester PERRETT

Yes

 

One Eternal Flame

yes

 

Daniel Silversun

yes

 

ॐBlessedॐ

yup

 

Keif Symanowitz

yes sir/ma'am

 

☤Tris☤

yes thank you

 

Ommi

yes

 

Adam Heatley

hour pointer- nice fact

 

Skywriter

Are there any specific questions on this part?

 

Adam Heatley

and yes

 

Sylvester PERRETT

What's BB

 

☤Tris☤

I also like the tidbit of hour pointer, nice one

 

Skywriter

Sorry that shoiuld be BC

 

Sylvester PERRETT

Kool

 

Skywriter

Yes there is plenty of neat lingo -Thanks for catching that Syl!

Shall we continue?

 

Sylvester PERRETT

Yes

 

Skywriter

OK- When you get on the NET and visit your fav astro-site and acquire a free horoscope wheel and delineation you’re only getting part of the picture.

On line scopes leave quite a bit out because they only focus on computer generated astro-script of planets in signs and houses with aspects.

In order to fully understand the Self, the whole map and everything in it must be considered.

Many people study natal astrology not necessarily because they want to become astrologers but because they are seeking a more unique perspective about themselves, their friends and loved ones.

Individuals who are studying other esoteric modalities that require interpretation often find that a basic understanding of astrology helps bring more depth to their other studies.

Ok now put on your brain caps folks!

Western astrology encompasses a wide range of techniques but, the three main branches of astrology are MUNDANE, INTERROGATORY and NATAL.

Mundane is the astrology of world events.

Interrogatory astrology is concerned with events and their connection to the past, present and future i.e.: Horary – “Will this happen?”

Electional - “When is the best time to make this happen?”; Event - “What happened?” Natal is the study of individuality.

A Nativity, Natus or Natal Chart has been likened to a snapshot of the Heavens at the moment an individual is born. It is a map of potential.

From the “Nativity” an astrologer can glean information regarding an individual’s talents, abilities, habits, hopes, and fears.

A natal chart can show us how to grow and evolve and offers an explanation of the myriad ways we experience and use the energies in our charts to do so according to our own free will.

There is no limitation in a Nativity-the only way anyone is limited is by the choices they make according to that free will. An individual natal chart cannot be duplicated within less than twenty-five thousand years.

Astrology works because we are all part of the Universe and the same force that moves the planets also moves us. We all follow the same cycles and patterns.

Astrology is based on three foundations:

The Law of Correspondences This law states: As above, so below. As within, so without. As the Universe, so the Soul.

The Law of Alchemy This law states that all the energies are inside of us. If we deny them or suppress them, they will manifest outside of us.

 

neps

good point

 

Skywriter

This law is about any lessons we don’t approach on a conscious level and how they will manifest externally as forces that are difficult to ignore.

This law forces us to take personal responsibility for our actions and spiritual dignity. Since Western astrology is based on the premise of free will, with this law, we can choose where to experience life lessons but that we cannot escape those challenges.

The Law of Beginnings This law states that the beginning point of life contains the potential that will be fulfilled during the life cycle and beyond.

Our chat discussion will be on natal interpretation.

Natal interpretation is the study of human life, birth, childhood, relationships during the course of life, self image and projected image, feelings, thought patterns, beliefs, and all of the energies any individual generates around him or her Self and the cause and effect of those energies.

Esoteric astrologers believe that each individual choose their particular Nativity before reincarnating into a lifetime just as they actually choose their parents and even their name.

Any questions on this section?

 

steve

the law of beginnings reminds me of the law of cause and effect

 

Skywriter

Yes sir.

Any other queries or thoughts?

 

Sylvester PERRETT

It all sounds kabbalistic to me

 

Adam Heatley

re: alchemy references...reminded me of carl jung's book "archetypes and the collective unconscious"

 

Skywriter

Remember Syl -all is one

 

Adam Heatley

good stuff

 

steve

only one system, yup

go on

 

Skywriter

Jung believed in astrology and used it

 

ॐBlessedॐ

law of alchemy related to astrology, very interesting

 

Adam Heatley

projections are things that we choose not to internalise

 

Skywriter

And very basic B

 

Adam Heatley

so they manifest outside of us

spot on

 

Skywriter

Good Adam

Shall we continue?

 

Adam Heatley

yeah please

 

Skywriter

OK - Astrology uses a geocentric view. This is an Earth centered view. In others words, we view the heavens from our station on Earth.

From this position we see the Sun as revolving around the earth. In reality, we know that this is not true of course and that the vantage point is really heliocentric where the earth and the other planets orbit the Sun

But, for the purposes of astrology, we are asked to view the heavens just as our ancient predecessors did from the earthly vantage point. So, bearing this concept in mind, the path of the Sun’s circle around the earth is known as the ecliptic.

It takes the Sun one year to make a complete circle around the earth. The narrow band of the Sun’s path is known as the Zodiac.

Within the belt lies all the planets in our solar system with the exception of Pluto due to its unusually wide path AND the stars which make up the constellations.

To the ancient observers, the stars made patterns that looked like animals so the belt became known as the Zodiac which comes from the Greek “zoidiakos kylos” meaning circle of animals.

Please go to link and take a moment to peruse images 1 & 2:http://www.esotericonline.net/group/astrology/page/esotericonline-a...

 

Boadicea

where is this chat?

 

steve

here

 

Skywriter

You're in it Bo

 

Boadicea

on that link?

 

Adam Heatley

lol

no, right here

 

steve

this.. is.. it

lol

 

Boadicea

Thank you Skywriter for leson

 

Skywriter

It's a visual for the discussion Bo

Did everyone check the link?

 

neps

the three what again?

 

Sylvester PERRETT

I have to go.Is it possible to replay this lecture later?

 

☤Tris☤

if anyone is unaware, you can "pop-out the chat but the top right hand icon, and view shat and that page at the same time

 

steve

look at the first 2 images please . yes a trasncript is being recorded

 

Adam Heatley

thanks tris

 

☤Tris☤

np

 

Sobroquet

The balanced scales of Libra is not an animal

 

Skywriter

No it is not Sobro

 

Sobroquet

And a centaur is a mythical creature

 

Skywriter

Neither is Aquarius

Yes ir is Sobro

 

steve

is the wobble or tilt of the earth taken into account?

 

Skywriter

No Steve

But astrologers do consider Moon Wobbles

 

steve

OK

 

Skywriter

That's a story for another day!

Shall we continue? Does everyone understand the diagrams?

 

Sobroquet

please proceede

 

steve

please yes

 

Skywriter

So where to start? Basically an astrological chart is comprised of four basic components: PLANETS, SIGNS HOUSES and ASPECTS.

 

☤Tris☤

yes thank you

 

ॐBlessedॐ

yeah great visuals!

 

Skywriter

The planets are the Sun and Moon also known as the “lights”, Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune and Pluto.

Astrologers do not care that Pluto has been demoted to dwarf planet status. Aspects are the geometrical angles that the planets can make to one another or other points such as asteroids is an astrologer has chosen to include them.

The twelve signs of the Zodiac are in order of precession: Aries, Taurus, Gemini, Cancer, Leo, Virgo, Libra, Scorpio, Sagittarius, Capricorn, Aquarius, and Pisces.

In reality is important to note that there are actually two Zodiacs. The Zodiac signs of astrology do not correspond to the constellations of the same name in astronomy although they both share some common mythological references.

The horoscope is depicted as a wheel which is divided into 360 degrees. It is then divided again into twelve sections. These sections are known as Houses and are marked by “cusps”.

The houses are calculated via whatever mathematical house system the astrologer is using. Most commonly this is either the Placidus or Koch system.

Net sites tend mainly to use Placidus but if you talk to a pro they might lean towards the Koch system which is believed to be mathematically superior.

The entire degrees and minutes of each house is set by the starting calculation of the Ascendant or rising sign. The houses work in polarity: 1 & 7; 2 & 8; 3 & 9; 4 & 10; 5 & 11; 6 & 12.

If you have a calculated chart you’ll notice that each of these sets will carry the same degrees and minutes. Each house has specific meanings and there are plenty of them. Here are the “general rule of thumb meanings:

1.SELF/Identity/Personality & Projection/Personal Action. 2. Resources/Earnings/Self Worth/Values 3. Communications/Daily Travel/Siblings/Immediate Environment/Early Schooling. 4. Home/Family/Roots/Inner Sanctorium.

5. Creativity, Will/Fun & Recreation/Romance/Procreation. 6. Work/Health/Pets/Skill/Service. 7. Others/Relationships/Opponents/Public. 8. Death/Sex & Intimacy/Joint Holdings/Investments.

9. Expansion/Beliefs/Foreign Travel/Law. 10. Reputation/Career/Authorities. 11. Aspirations & Hopes/Friends/Associates/Groups & Clubs & Organizations. 12. The Unconscious/Dreams/Seclusions/The Afterlife.

Go to link for image # 3” http://www.esotericonline.net/group/astrology/page/esotericonline-a...

Any questions?

 

Boadicea

i need the hour too?

 

Adam Heatley

do you use the koch system?

 

☤Tris☤

this is excellent

 

Boadicea

and minutes?

 

Skywriter

Yes Bo

Yes Adam I use Koch

Thank you T ;-)

 

steve

two questions: why is Aries always first? secondly : Uranus was discovered in 1781. Neptune in 1846 and Pluto in 1930, astrology is much older than these discovery dates - in the olden days, did they use 5 planets or ?

 

Turukai

;-)

 

ॐBlessedॐ

how did they correspond those qualities to those houses

 

Adam Heatley

blessed has a point

 

Sobroquet

documented discoveries

 

Mardi

Can you explain what is Sidereal ?

 

Skywriter

Steve the ancients only used what they could see with the naked eye - up to Saturn

 

neps

funny 4 is linked to 10

 

One Eternal Flame

That explains alot, thank you Sky!

 

Skywriter

Mardi Sidereal uses star placements

 

Mardi

Ok, what is the difference?

 

Skywriter

Yes Nep your foundation is your stepping stone to the outside world

 

ॐBlessedॐ

started in aries beause long ago 4 320 000 00 0 years ago was the first time all planets were in one signat the same time according to the vedas.

 

Skywriter

So it is opposite

Mardi Tropical uses planet positions

 

neps

music to anchor it in time http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DU1ZO3r2EjE&feature=related

 

steve

k

thx

 

Skywriter

Steve it starts with Aries because this is correlated with the Spring Equinox

That is why Aries is associated with beginnings

 

Mardi

thank you

 

Skywriter

Welcome

 

☤Tris☤

nice

 

Skywriter

Shall we go on?

 

steve

yes please and thank you

 

SammiG

yes pls

 

One Eternal Flame

yes please

 

☤Tris☤

`yes thank you

 

Boadicea

ofcourse glad to have you around

 

Skywriter

You'll have to start thinking harder now ..

When a chart is cast according to specific birth date these signs will appear on the cusps of Houses that they do not naturally rule. So, the “meanings” of the House become colored or influenced by the signs that occupy the cusps.

 

Simica

evenin

 

Skywriter

Each House is defined and separated from the other houses by a mathematically calculated degree and a sign of the Zodiac. The planets which are the most important facet of astrology will occupy certain signs at birth and according to their degree and minute of the occupied will be posited in a House

Welcome Sim

 

steve

in middle of a lesson sim

 

Skywriter

Now since there are twelve Houses and only 10 planets there will always be Houses that are unoccupied. These are known as VOID HOUSES.

 

Simica

ah i will shut up then

 

☤Tris☤

welcome

 

Skywriter

Many astrologers believe that these empty houses represent areas where an individual doesn’t need to put as much life focus as opposed to the houses that carry planets.

 

neps

what were cusps again?

 

Skywriter

The cusps demarcate the Houses Neps

 

Sobroquet

hmmm

 

steve

edges of the house

 

Skywriter

Here is a link to one of our Astrology Group pages where you can find full basic info about meanings of the Houses AFTER chat is over so either bookmark it or save it: http://www.esotericonline.net/group/astrology/page/zodiac-builders-inc

 

neps

im lost at the cusps but continue

 

Sobroquet

So "void" has the opposite meaning in this case

 

Skywriter

OK Neps the cusps are the degrees on each House

 

neps

their position related to other houses?

in degrees?

 

Skywriter

Not necessarily opposite - just doesn't need as much work

 

steve

lets wait til question period perhaps

 

Sobroquet

IC- it doesn't mean empty

 

Skywriter

That's OK

 

neps

im the only one thats lost at the cusps?

 

Skywriter

They are literally empty of planets

The circle is divided into twelve parts right

 

neps

and each house is 30 deg

 

Skywriter

Only in an equal chart

 

neps

mhm

 

Skywriter

In a calculated chart some have more and some less

BUT it all adds up to 360

 

ॐBlessedॐ

interesting...

 

Skywriter

OK continue good people?

 

SammiG

k

 

Skywriter

Hi Sammi!

 

SammiG

hello

 

steve

keep er goin :-)

 

Skywriter

As a side note, as I mentioned earlier, these House meanings are the “basic meanings.” The 4th, 8th and 12th Houses are also known as the Occult Houses. These are the areas where one can find info re the Nether Regions, life after death, the astral worlds, psychism etc.

Another example is the 6th House which is the House of magic of all kinds, black, white and indifferent. The 9th House is the house of psychic receptivity. This gives you an idea of how diversified astrology is and how everything that exists is covered.

The first thing a pro astrologer will look at is the chart distribution of the planets known as “weight.” An important thing to note with this geocentric view is that the directions are opposite of the norm.

The bottom half of the chart which we would normally considered SOUTH is called the Northern Hemisphere; the upper half which we normally consider NORTH is the Southern Hemisphere.

 

SammiG

awesome

 

Skywriter

The RIGHT hand side of the map is the Western Hemisphere and the LEFT side of the map is considered the Eastern Hemisphere.

 

ॐBlessedॐ

why is that

 

Skywriter

Because of our geocentric view B

Each one of these hemispheres will say something about you by planetary weight. If you can count you can figure this all out easily. As most of you know, a natal map is divided into twelve sections numbered accordingly.

The 1st house starts on the Eastern horizon on the left hand side of the chart. This is also known as the ASCENDANT or Rising Sign.

The Northern Hemisphere of a chart includes houses 1-6 at the bottom half of the chart. Planets here are considered somewhat hidden or private and indicate the introvert who is pulled back about sharing personal information.

 

neps

stop

 

Adam Heatley

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hgkucBAqYE a vedic chant to keep things simmering

 

Boadicea

i have to leanr english

learn*

 

Skywriter

OK to continue now?

The Southern Hemisphere includes houses 7-12 at the top half of the chart. Planets here indicate the extrovert who likes to be seen and express the self more openly.

 

☤Tris☤

yes continue, thanks you

 

Skywriter

If the planets are evenly divided in these hemispheres it indicates a balanced nature unless planetary placement and aspects tip that balance.

 

steve

http://www.esotericonline.net/group/astrology/page/esotericonline-a... remember these visuals help a lot

 

Mardi

are you in that house Skywriter?

I mean 7 - 12

 

Skywriter

I have a combo Mardi

The Eastern Hemisphere includes houses 1,2,3,10,11, and 12 at the left half of the chart. Planets here surround the Ascendant so it makes sense that the energy equates with focus on individual expression. The individual will tend to be more self reliant, self initiating and active.

 

Mardi

Oh I see

 

Skywriter

The Western Hemisphere includes houses 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, and 9. At the right half of the chart. Planets here surround the Descendant (opposite the Ascendant) so “others” become important. The individual will tend to be more receptive and considerate.

How are we doing?

 

steve

good!

 

SammiG

great

 

Daniel Silversun

good

 

Boadicea

had acks

 

neps

just dandy

 

Skywriter

Don't forget to look at the visuals!

 

steve

http://www.esotericonline.net/group/astrology/page/esotericonline-a...

 

neps

30 online record?

 

Skywriter

Next is QUADRANTS

But first lets' finish hemispheres

 

Keif Symanowitz

Still with ya, Skywriter

 

Skywriter

Any queries/

 

Mardi

pk

ok

 

Skywriter

The next basic planetary weight consideration are the quadrants. Each quadrant combines the qualities of two hemispheres.

Quadrant 1 consisting of houses 1, 2, and 3 reflects an introverted with a self reliant nature. Quadrant 2 consisting of houses 4, 5, and 6 indicates one who is introverted and reactive.

Quadrant 3 consisting of houses 7, 8, and 9 indicates one who is extrovert and reactive. Quadrant 4 consisting of houses 10, 11, and 12 indicates one who is extrovert and self reliant.

Please go to the link and look at image # 4 http://www.esotericonline.net/group/astrology/page/esotericonline-a...

An astrologer will also look to see which CROSS you have incarnated upon by observing the signs on the Major Angles – House 1,4,7, and 10. The Crosses are deep inherent principles of Nature.

An astrologer will also look to see which CROSS you have incarnated upon by observing the signs on the Major Angles – House 1,4,7, and 10. The Crosses are deep inherent principles of Nature.

Sorry my computer froze!

The MUTABLE CROSS consisting of Gemini, Virgo, Sagittarius and Pisces means a life laced with a series of impacts so the individual must learn to be adaptable. They are often easily influenced. There is also a good deal of duality such two jobs, two spouses, etc

The FIXED CROSS consisting of the signs Taurus, Leo, Scorpio and Aquarius indicates a life of purging. These individuals are often tested and cleansed and their lives are quiescent for a long time and then there is a sudden eruption. This pattern repeats throughout life.

 

Boadicea

yesterday i was asking someone if we can find who we were after astrology map

 

Skywriter

The CARDINAL CROSS means you have the Cardinal signs Aries, Cancer Libra and Capricorn on the Angles. Esoterically speaking this is a lifetime of further attunement to God/Source and it is considered a life of initiation. Life is often active.

In the next lifetime BO?

An astrologer who specializes in reincarnation can do that

 

Daniel Silversun

cool

 

Skywriter

Sometimes the Crosses are “split” and the meanings are therefore combined.

Any questions?

 

Sobroquet

Sky- perhaps that's where the expression "my cross to bear' began

 

Skywriter

Exactly Sobro

We all have one!

 

steve

these are the modality quadruplicies of image 5

 

Skywriter

Continue?

 

steve

yup

 

☤Tris☤

yes thanks

 

Skywriter

Remember if you are lost there will be transcript

 

SammiG

awesome

 

Skywriter

Homework -hehe

 

One Eternal Flame

lol

 

Skywriter

Next, an astrologer will look at the weight of the signs. A count is made of how many planets there are in whatever signs they occupy.

 

Boadicea

not in the next time ...who we were ?

 

Skywriter

Let’s say a person has the following count of planets: Aries 1; Taurus 1; Gemini 2; Cancer 0; Leo 0; Virgo 2; Libra 1; Scorpio 0; Sagittarius 2; Capricorn 4; Aquarius 4; Pisces 0. This means the following signs have weight Capricorn and Aquarius.

Yes past life too Bo

This tells the astrologer that via the Capricorn weight the person can be disciplined, responsible, reliable, industrious, conscientious, practical, achieving and conversely pessimistic, overly conventional, rigid, materialistic, callous.

Via the Aquarius weight, humanitarian, innovative, group conscious, progressive, serving others and conversely be rebellious, eccentric, aloof, emotionally superficial, overly extroverted.

Where did all these adjectives come from? They are some of the general adjectives associated with these signs.

Often when a person takes an astrology course, the instructor will make them keep a notebook of adjectives describing each sign as they learn about them which are added to throughout the course

Any questions?

 

Keif Symanowitz

When you say count of planets, you refer to how many times each sign occurs in your natal chart, yes?

 

Sobroquet

aspects?

 

Skywriter

Keif count means you simply count the planets is a given house, hemisphere or quadrant, sign etc.

We'll get to aspects Sobra! Hold on

 

Sobroquet

ok

 

Skywriter

Continue?

 

Keif Symanowitz

Yep.

 

Skywriter

OK

Next, is the weight or lack of weight of the elements FIRE, EARTH, AIR, and WATER. Each sign falls into one of these categories.

FIRE element is connected to Aries, Leo and Sagittarius. These signs are animated and inspired.

 

Boadicea

i like this part

 

Skywriter

EARTH is connected to Taurus, Virgo and Capricorn. These signs are practical and material.

 

Boadicea

Taurus =>earth this is me:-D

 

Skywriter

AIR is connected to Gemini, Libra and Aquarius. These signs are intellectual and communicative.

 

Boadicea

material:O

 

Skywriter

WATER is connected to Cancer, Scorpio and Pisces. These signs are emotional and psychic.

These groups are technically known as the TRIPLICITIES. Let’s say a person has this Elemental count: Fire 3; Earth 7; Air 7; Water 0. Earth and Air have a high count. Fire is in the middle and Water is zilch.

The Astrologer would tell that person the following: “You are a practical and efficient, hands-on person. and can be relied on to take a common-sense approach to most matters.

 

steve

no one is pure "100% taurus , right" i mean, we a mix of signs?

 

Skywriter

You are stubborn and often refuse to make changes in your life. You tend to stifle both your own and other people's enthusiasm (Earth strength).

No one is pure!

You tend to be philosophical, preferring to view life from an intellectual perspective. You have a high sense of fairness, and a logical thought process (Air strength).

Your weakness lies in the fact that you view emotions in a disparaging light. Crying or losing your cool in front of other people would be a horrifying thought, let alone action, for you. You need to learn to honor both your own and other people's feelings as you lack compassion (Water weakness).”

Everyone get the idea?

 

steve

yup, great!

 

Skywriter

Next are the modalities also called qualities. They are CARDINAL, FIXED and MUTABLE. Each one of these categories will contain 4 signs, one of each element.

 

☤Tris☤

yes thanks

 

Daniel Silversun

yes

 

Skywriter

Cardinal signs are Aries, Cancer, Libra and Capricorn. They are action oriented and forceful.

 

Boadicea

:)

 

Skywriter

Fixed signs are Taurus, Leo, Scorpio and Aquarius. They are sensible and steadfast.

The Mutable signs are Gemini, Virgo, Sagittarius and Pisces. They are changeable and adaptable.

This grouping is also known as the QUADRUPLICITIES.

I my astrology classes I have a joke about the Quadruplicities:

CARDINAL – “I WILL!” FIXED - “I WON’T!” MUTABLE – “WHO CARES?”

 

One Eternal Flame

lol

 

steve

nice

 

Skywriter

Go to link and view image # 5 http://www.esotericonline.net/group/astrology/page/esotericonline-a...

Let’s say a person has this count: Cardinal 0; Fixed 7; Mutable 10.

The astrologer might say: You may procrastinate. You expect others to be flexible, like yourself (Mutable strength).

You prefer to follow in other people's footsteps rather than initiate actions. You can be relied on to come up with the goods as long as someone else has the initial ideas. Your survival mechanisms are weak (Cardinal weakness).

Any questions?

Continue?

 

ॐBlessedॐ

yes

 

☤Tris☤

please

 

Skywriter

Many astrologers also like to calculate what is known as the SIGN SIGNATURE or Final Signature. This consists of planets in signs by element and quality count.

The Sign Signature meaning is added to the meaning of a person’s personality. Often it comes up the same sign as the Sun sign but sometimes it does not.

Let’s say a person is a Gemini Sun and he has the following planets in element count: Fire 1; Earth 5; Air 3, Water 0. We see Earth is clearly the winner.

Now let’s look at the count by modalities: Cardinal 1; Earth 5; Mutable 4. Mutable is clearly the winner. Next we put the combination together = Mutable Earth.

If we go back and review our date we see Capricorn is a Cardinal Earth sign; Taurus is a Fixed Earth sign and Virgo is Mutable Earth sign.

So this person’s Sign Signature is Virgo adding Virgoan qualities to the personality. A good example of this is the late Bill Gates.

He had a strong Scorpio influence in his chart including a Scorpio Sun but his Sign Signature was Leo. This accounts for his flair for publicity and his ability to commend center stage.

Next is HOUSE weight. Which houses have planets and how many planets are in those houses?

Let’s say the count is: 1st 0; 2nd 0; 3rd 2; 4th 0; 5th 5; 6th 6; 7th 2; 8th 1; 9th 1; 10th 0; 11th 0; 12th 0. The winners are the 5th and the 6th Houses.

The astrologer might say that life emphasis is on creative self expression, artistic pursuits, hobbies, recreation, procreation and lovers self-fulfillment and joy as well as: health, daily routine, working environment, skills, pets and animals and service to others.

 

Sobroquet

Bill Hicks?

 

Skywriter

hehe

Next is HOUSE Division by ELEMENT and MODE/QUALITY.

 

Keif Symanowitz

hahah

 

Skywriter

FIRE: “The Houses of Life” 1, 5, 9 - People with many planets in these houses are inspirational, dynamic and motivating. They have energy, enthusiasm and religious or spiritual conviction.

1st house – body; 5th house – soul; 9th house - spirit, mind.

EARTH: “The Houses of Substance” 2,6,10 - People with many planets in these houses are stable and are the backbone of their families and community. Their outlook and vocational aptitudes are practical and solid.

2nd house – valuables;6th house – occupation; 10th house – reputation and recognition.

AIR: “The Houses of Relationships” 3,7,11 - People with many planets in these houses are “other oriented.”

3rd house – consanguine; 7th house – conjugal ;11th house – congenial.

WATER: “The Houses of Endings” (also the Occult Houses) 4,8,12 - People with many planets in these houses are sensitive, psychic, and psychoanalytical. These houses reflect the innermost Soul.

4th house – end of the physical body; 8th house – liberation of the Soul/death 12th house – results of the life we chose to take/karma.

ANGULAR (Cardinal) 1, 4, 7, 10 The MAJOR ANGLES: Planets in angular houses have great potential for dynamic action and their influences are intensified.

SUCCEDENT (Fixed) 2, 5,8,11: These houses are called succedent because they follow or succeed the angular houses. They are not powerful houses but planets here grant stability and purpose. These are the houses of finance.

CADENT (Mutable) 3, 6,9,12: These houses are neither action oriented or stable but they confer adaptability and affability.

Go to the link for Image 6: http://www.esotericonline.net/group/astrology/page/esotericonline-a... .

 

Blaze

Hi...I missed it! Sounds like the chat was great!

 

Skywriter

Do you all have a headache?

 

Boadicea

me

 

Mardi

no

 

Boadicea

:(

 

Keif Symanowitz

A good headache.

 

steve

a little bit Skywriter but it will be great for studying later

 

Skywriter

Any questions?

 

One Eternal Flame

lol

 

ॐBlessedॐ

lol nope im good!

 

☤Tris☤

still going on blaze, welcome

 

Keif Symanowitz

Briefly, in regards to the Decantes. I was told by a teacher of mine that the Egyptian decans can be incorporated into the 12 Greek signs of 30 degrees, creating an additional 3 delineations within each sign. Leaving us with 36 signs of 10 degrees each. Any thoughts?

 

Skywriter

This is just the small basics folks!

We'll cover decanates, decans and dwads in upcoming chats

 

Blaze

Hi Tris..and all...sounds like it was a great discussion!

 

Skywriter

These are associated with the signs

 

steve

the pics really help

 

Sunmover

:-D A lot to digest, thank you Sky and thanks in adance Steve for the transcript!

 

Skywriter

One thing at a time - this is vast/

Thank you Sun!

 

Blaze

Oh...there is a transcript?

 

KMT

Thanks so much SKY!

 

steve

thanks to tris for getting this new chat up and running, works great

 

One Eternal Flame

fascinating, thank you Sky!

 

Skywriter

wecloms

 

Blaze

Hi Sky!

 

ॐBlessedॐ

thank you very much Sky! you are Blessed with wisdom!

 

Mardi

thanks for your efforts Skywriter

 

Skywriter

You can see how this is different from what you pull up on the NET

Thank you for attending

 

☤Tris☤

we are very blessed to have you here with us

 

Ommi

thanks Sky

 

SammiG

Thanks so much Sky

 

Skywriter

I am blessed to be here!

 

Mardi

yes

 

Keif Symanowitz

Thankyou kindly, Skywriter

 

ॐBlessedॐ

agreed!

 

Skywriter

You are all very welcome!

 

Daniel Silversun

thanks Sky

 

SammiG

It was very enlightening

 

ॐBlessedॐ

sky, i was wondering you said that if u calculate some signs have less than 30 degrees?

 

Skywriter

Hope you all come next time!

 

One Eternal Flame

I will be here!

 

SammiG

for sure

 

Steve Boucher

I have been following along from the beginning and I have to say it is very interesting. Thanks Sky.

 

Skywriter

Some HOUSES have more or less B

Thanks

 

KMT

With bells on

 

Skywriter

Signs all have 30

 

ॐBlessedॐ

ah i see, the houses

 

Skywriter

I will be putting up a page with all of this in the Astrology Group tonite!

You can get it there for study or whatever

 

One Eternal Flame

I copied it!

 

Skywriter

There will be more OEF!

 

Simica

all done?

 

One Eternal Flame

Thank you so much Sky!

 

☤Tris☤

please be sure to check out the scheduled chat group later, let us know if you have any ideas on how we can improve these discussions, we would love to hear it http://www.esotericonline.net/group/scheduledchat

 

Skywriter

Yep