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Scheduled Chat Transcript - Astrology: Jones Patterns and Introduction to the Planets- Jan 22 2012

In our last session we discussed the history of Astrology and why and how Astrology works. We also covered the Overview of the Natal Chart.
♏αgʊš ☿

wOw 34 folks online :)
Lancia

greetings to everyone
Skywriter

This included Hemispheres, Quadrants, Grand Crosses, Elements (Triplicities), Modalities/Qualities (Quadruplicities), Houses, their basic meanings and weights and divisions.
Ero

aha :)
Skywriter

To review this material please go to this link when you have time AFTER chat: http://www.esotericonline.net/group/astrology/page/esotericonline-a...
Lancia

ok
Skywriter

We will follow the same classroom rules and etiquette as the last time. Please wait for me to prompt you for questions.

Also please do not private message me during the discussion. It is difficult for me to keep the flow if I am distracted. I can help you after the discussion.

Today I would like to start with another Overview pattern known as the JONES PATTERN or OVERALLL CHART PATTERN. We will then move on to planets and signs

Dr. Marc Edmund Jones was a famous American astrologer who was a breakthrough pioneer and reformer in the field.

check him out http://www.esotericonline.net/group/astrology/page/esotericonline-a...

Everyone see Dr. Jones?
Atmo Sphere

yep
Skywriter

You can read up on him later ..
Wadjet

is there supposed to be a scheduled discussion soon?
Skywriter

right now W

join in!
♏αgʊš ☿

:)
Skywriter

His works and books are invaluable to today’s contemporary astrologers and students. His work was dedicated to finding competent rather than superficial answers to the problems of life.
Wadjet

i thunk so..i thought it would be in video chat right?
Skywriter

An interesting personality guide was devised by Jones who formulated seven distinct personality “types” based entirely on the overall pattern formed by the planets in a natal chart.
♏αgʊš ☿

me too, tis not
Wadjet

is that y youre there magus?
Skywriter

Shhhhhh
♏αgʊš ☿

i am in both places, yes
Skywriter

These patterns have unusual and perhaps to some, even comical names. They are SPLASH, SPLAY, BUNDLE, LOCOMOTIVE, BOWL, BUCKET, and SEESAW. These are actually fun to figure out and discern.
♏αgʊš ☿

:-O
Me

wadjet, skywriter is giving the lesson now in chat - thanks
Wadjet

oh! sorry guysbr/> Skywriter

Not everyone has an overall pattern in his or her chart but if they do, more color seems to be added to the personality. Plus these patterns are active throughout an entire lifetime.

This makes them subject to effects from Transits, Progressions and Directions as the Apex or main planet of the pattern can be affected by the aspects produced by these movements.

Astrologer Robert Carl Jansky did further in depth research into Dr. Jones’ original material and later added an eighth personality type known as the FAN.

He and astrologer Marion March discussed a ninth pattern known as the WHEELBARROW and, after Jansky’s death in 1980, Ms. March and her students concluded that the pattern was indeed valid after further research and study.
Jody Bodiford

what do all of the astrologers in the chat think about the age of aquarius?
Tantrice

shhh no questions

not yet
Jody Bodiford

just curious..ok
Tantrice

shh]
Skywriter

Jody please wait until I prompt thank you

These Patterns can only be produced by the planets and no other points or heavenly bodies. There is a visual page and each pattern has a visual and an actual celebrity so you can understand this concept

Bear in mind that the planets can appear in other houses than what is shown as long as long as the rules fit.

In the BOWL all planets lie to one side of the zodiac and occupy one half of (180) of the entire chart. The pattern is even more pronounced when the angles are involved (1-7; 4-10).

Ideally, the two planets that form the rim of the bowl are in opposition to each other. An individual with a BOWL pattern is usually very self contained, quite subjective, and often self satisfied.

There is often a feeling that there is a cause or mission that needs to be fulfilled.

The unoccupied portion of the chart becomes the challenge or the unknown quantity that needs to be understood in order for the individual to function properly.

Please go to the visual image # 1: http://www.esotericonline.net/group/astrology/page/esotericonline-a...

See how the BOWL looks?

BUCKET - This pattern looks like a bowl with a handle on it. It is the second most common pattern. All of the planets lie opposite a single planet on the other side of the chart.

This planet forms the handle and is known as the “singleton.” The singleton planet become all important in this pattern because it represents the outlet for all of the stored energy in the opposite or Bowl section.

The position of the singleton is important as well. If it stands straight up in relationship to the Bowl the individual knows what he or she wants and goes after it.

If it leans to the left, the individual knows what he or she wants but loses steam halfway in the process and therefore must try harder.

If it leans to the right, the individual might overdo and put in more effort than is necessary.

The positive manifestation of the BUCKET is one who can inspire and teach others while the negative manifestation indicates one who is an agitator.

Please look at Image # 2 The handle is the red dot. http://www.esotericonline.net/group/astrology/page/esotericonline-a...

Remember you can study these later too!

The SEESAW pattern is sometimes also called the HOURGLASS. It is the most common of all the patterns. In this pattern, there are two groups of planets opposing one another.

Technically, this pattern should have a square of open space (90) on one side and more than a sextile (60) on the other side.

The individual needs to learn how to weigh and balance in life because they are often pulled in one direction then the other.

Unique achievement is possible if the individual understands and employs the polarity of this pattern positively. Negatively employed, the individual will constantly be in a state of conflict.

Go to Image # 3 http://www.esotericonline.net/group/astrology/page/esotericonline-a...

I have this Pattern in my chart.

Talk about having to balance!

SPLASH: This pattern is often called the “Universal Citizen.” All ten planets are well divided around the Zodiac wheel.

The pattern is indicative of an individual who can do many things well and as one door closes another one opens.

Positively used, the pattern indicates one who can create order out of confusion and negatively used the individual will scatter his or her energies in all directions with little accomplishment.

Go to Image # 4 http://www.esotericonline.net/group/astrology/page/esotericonline-a...

See how the ten planets are spread out?
Ero

as in mine
Tantrice

yes like a star
Skywriter

BUNDLE: Some astrologers call this pattern the WEDGE. All ten planets are concentrated within the narrow confines of a trine (120) therefore, the focus is very one-sided.

Much can be made of very little with this pattern with unanticipated results.

The energy can be used positively to build upon small beginnings or negatively by trying to force limited views on others because of personal inhibition.

Some astrologers feel that when “focus” energy of the BUNDLE is positively used the individual can be a specialist in his/her chosen field.

Go to Image # 5 http://www.esotericonline.net/group/astrology/page/esotericonline-a...

The FAN is a result of the research done by astrologer Carl Jansky.

It is similar to the BUCKET pattern except that instead of a BOWL and a singleton (handle) there is a BUNDLE and a singleton (handle).

In the FAN pattern the singleton acts as “input” to the BUNDLE as if it were in the driver’s seat of the chart.

In essence, the singleton of the BUNDLE is the “cause” whereas in the BUCKET the singleton is the “effect.” The interpretation is opposite that of the BUCKET and the momentum generated is even greater.

Go to Image # 6 http://www.esotericonline.net/group/astrology/page/esotericonline-a...
Krishna

oh sky your the astrolger
Skywriter

I hope so!

In the LOCOMOTIVE pattern, all ten planets are placed within two-thirds of the chart leaving an empty trine (120) space.

There should also be no open space within the pattern that exceeds 65.

It is important to determine the “engine” or the planet leading the others in a clockwise direction of this pattern because it is the planet that will push the locomotive into action by leading or pulling the other planets along …

AND the “caboose” as these planets will reveal motivation. With this pattern, the individual can be self motivated and bring much power to bear to achieve.

Often he or she is ”moved” more by external factors that personal tendencies and have much practical capacity and can go far in life if abilities are used positively.

Go to Image # 7 http://www.esotericonline.net/group/astrology/page/esotericonline-a...

The SPLAY pattern is also known as the TRIPOD. This pattern has three distinct portions in a chart and if perfect, some of the planets within these portions form a Grand Trine.

This pattern has great momentum and can rarely be limited to one point of application.

The individual is provided with a strong platform from which to work while drawing on the harmonious energies created by the Grand Trine or three portions.

Some astrologers believe this pattern can reveal genius.

Go to Image # 8 http://www.esotericonline.net/group/astrology/page/esotericonline-a...

WHEELBARROW - Astrologer Marion March continued the research on this pattern. This pattern consists of a BUNDLE with two equi -distant handles or singletons on the opposite side.
Awofalola AdeOsun Obaseye

Good information skywriter it explains how
Skywriter

They can be as close as a sextile (60) on one side and as far apart as a quincunx (150) on the other side.

Thank you A!
Sylvester PERRETT

Sorry I'm late.
Skywriter

The even or uneven placement of the handles makes a difference in how the energies are used because their job is to balance the barrow energies.
Tantrice

shh lesson etiquette
Skywriter

You must consider the relationship between each handle and the rim planet it is closet to – the closer handle reveals emphasis of the individual’s nature while the furthest reveals what is repressed.

Go to image # 9 http://www.esotericonline.net/group/astrology/page/esotericonline-a...

Does anyone have any questions on the JONES PATTERNS?
♏αgʊš ☿

no
Skywriter

It takes a little practice to discern them
Ero

so with my splashed birth chart I tend to be good in creating order when there is confusion... and negatively, my energies are scattered around and accomplish nothing much... i can relate to both... how can i get uncluttered when i am?
Eagle

I might later
Me

no, thank you
Eagle

thank you
Tantrice

do you have a website where we can check our own astrological allignments?
Skywriter

Not for this Tantrice but I can personally answer you
Wadjet

i have a question!
Skywriter

yes mam
Tantrice

Oh that is very kind of you
Ero

i posed one also ...
Skywriter

Yes Wadjet
Wadjet

its a question about whether my chart is bucket or bowl bc its inbetween the two...
Skywriter

Ero - you can focus
Krishna

astrologys way too confusing for m
Tantrice

feng shui
Krishna

me
Awofalola AdeOsun Obaseye

When these configurations show personality and the person does not manifest these traits. How do you help the client to understand?
Wadjet

my chart looks like a bowl, filled on one half with 3 planets in aries.. i have a 'handle' but my handle is the rising sign in leo. is a rising sign an appropriate 'handle' or is this simply a bowl. here's a quick link to my chart. could u point out any 'red flags' for me?
Skywriter

Wadjet you'd have to look at the degrees of distance
Wadjet

http://astro.cafeastrology.com/cgi-bin/astro/natal?member=&reca...
♏αgʊš ☿

stating that makes it so
Skywriter

They do manifest A
Ero

focus ... okay
Skywriter

Wadjet if you inbox me later I'll tell you
Wadjet

yey!

thsnkx
♏αgʊš ☿

if you say you cannot play piano, then you cannot play

";)
Skywriter

Yes Ero - for you it depends which planet you're focusing on!
Ero

how can i know
Ommi

the power of thought
Skywriter

Folks you van inbox me with your personal questions
♏αgʊš ☿

:)
Skywriter

it is a service I do hereon EO
♏αgʊš ☿

<3
Skywriter

no problem I am glad to help
Eagle

kind of you <3
Skywriter

Shall we continue?
ॐBlessedॐ

sky did my chart, best ive seen with indepth analysis.
Eagle

please
Ero

i been enjoying thatservice allready :)
Skywriter

OK let’s all go to Universe Theater! All the world is a stage you know!
Tantrice

Yay! Sky is an inspiration!
Skywriter

Are you ready?
♏αgʊš ☿

let's let the master continue
Skywriter

Here's your ticket...
Lancia

thank you sky..
Dirt Fish

thanks
Me

yes, please continue thanks
Ero

all ears
Skywriter

SIGNS, PLANETS, HOUSES – Each of these astrological components play a specific part in an individual lifetime.

Think of a lifetime as a “Soul Play”… a process with a plan that each individual chooses before he or she incarnates so that each life lesson learned, each choice that leads to failure or success augments the evolution of the Soul.

The PLANETS are the ACTORS of the play. Archetypically they represent the structure of the mind, each one symbolizing a particular psychological function… intellect, emotions, self imagery and the impulse toward intimacy.
Krishna

Lancia <3
Lancia

but I must say I don't understand much :) I will leave it to the experts
Skywriter

When discerning the “planet actor” ask yourself: What mental function is being considered?
Krishna

Sky whats your Sign?
Skywriter

Aries K
♏αgʊš ☿

Craig, pleas
Krishna

Aries , nice
Skywriter

The SIGNS are the ROLES each planet adopts as a signature in the play.
Krishna

Im a Scorpio
Skywriter

They represent the processes that take place within the mind or the psychological framework… identity, needs and fears, attitudes and biases.

They symbolize each pattern of growth with which an individual becomes identified such as learning to become braver or more assertive, weeding out destructive effects like dependency, becoming more aware of the needs of others, and developing psychic sensitivity.

When discerning the “House Role” ask yourself: How does the sign motivate the planet and affect its activity? How will the combination work together to enhance strengths or destabilize?

The HOUSES are the STAGES and mini theaters of the obvious of what the mind observes in an outward way. Each house by number represents a sector of life. It will be modified by the sign on the cusp so some houses will be less outwardly active.

When discerning the “House Stage” ask yourself: Which area of life is this all being developed? What type of behavior might emerge? How might it improve or hinder life and the pursuit of happiness?

The planets are the most important facet of Astrology. Astrology is the study of the cycle of the planets. The same Divine Universal force that moves the planets moves all of us as well.

Remember - There is no such thing as a bad chart, bad planets, bad signs or bad planets in signs or planets in bad signs. Period. Astrology shows us the path of potential.

It's up to us to discern the way we choose to follow it. Or not. The only one who can limit you is yourself.
Dirt Fish

right on
Skywriter

The Astrological planets are: The Sun (the Great Light), Moon (the Lesser Light), Mercury, Venus, Mars Jupiter (The Greater Benefic), Saturn, Uranus, Neptune and Pluto.

Venus is the lesser benefic

The planetoid Chiron has taken on such significance over the years that it too is included in the Planetary Intelligentsia.

The planets also engage retrograde motion on a regular schedule EXCEPT the Sun and Moon. These two astrological planets NEVER go retrograde.

During retrogradation a planet APPEARS to be moving backward. This is scientifically impossible of course but Astrology takes the view of the Ancient Astrologer/Astronomers whereby they observed from the Earth- centered view that some of the “stars’ they watched cyclically “moved.”
Awofalola AdeOsun Obaseye

Ase
Skywriter

In ancient times EVERYTHING in the Heavens was called a star. There were stars that did not move which were called FIXED STARS and stars that seemed to shuffle cyclically to and fro. These were called MOVING STARS and they eventually came to be known as PLANETS.

In ancient scripts, some of the planets are known as benefic or malefic. Benefic was associated with luck and spiritual bounty. Malefic was tied to harder life lessons. This does not mean they are “good” or “bad.”

A harshly aspected Venus or Jupiter can be troublesome AND conversely a favorably aspected Mars or Saturn can be helpful.

Each sign has a planetary ruler. There are only 10 planets and 12 signs, so Mercury and Venus rule two signs. Mercury rules Gemini and Virgo. Venus rules Taurus and Libra.

Before the discovery of the outer planets Uranus, Neptune and Pluto, <Mars, Jupiter and Saturn> also each ruled two signs and are still considered the ancient rulers of those signs. Mars ruled Aries and Scorpio, Jupiter ruled Sagittarius and Pisces and Saturn ruled Capricorn and Aquarius.

The contemporary planetary rulerships are: Sun/Leo; Moon/Cancer; Mercury/Gemini & Virgo; Venus/Taurus & Libra; Mars/Aries; Jupiter/Sagittarius; Saturn/Capricorn; Uranus/Aquarius; Neptune/Pisces; Pluto/Scorpio.

The Sun represents light, consciousness, will, power, sense of purpose and vitality. Its expression is to shine, attempt to influence and resist all efforts to make it what it is not.

In ancient scripts the Sun is known as the Great Light.

Its psychology is libido based housing the drive to do anything at all. Its urge is to be and to create and its need is to be recognized. Orbit 1 year. No retrograde motion. Ruler of LEO.

The Sun's glyph signifies emanation of light and the life giving energy from the unlimited resources of the Divine. The circle is known as the symbol for infinity. The dot at the center is the Dot of Divinity and the Light sent from the Greater Light and from it comes the manifestation of man by cre

creative aspect. The Sun's glyph shows that Man is of Divine Origin and that he carries unlimited possibilities for growth if he stays aligned with the Dot of Divinity.

The Moon represents femininity, women, motherhood, the past, source, heredity and the subconscious. Its expression is to feel and experience emotions, to remember the past and the habits and conditioning connected to it and to shape day to day actions that do not require conscious thought.

In ancient scripts the Moon is known as the Lesser Light.

Its psychology is the unconscious nature. Its urge is to be comforted and feel inner support and its need is for a sense of belonging and emotional tranquility. Orbit 27.33 days. No retrograde motion. Ruler of CANCER.

While the circle of the Sun represents the infinite and unmanifested, the semi-circle of the Moon reveals the finite and manifested. The Moon absorbs Light from the Dot of Divinity and gives it creative form.

Many astrologers think of the Moon as the Soul and the Sun as the Spirit and therefore the Moon (Soul) is the link between Spirit and Earth with the latter symbolized as the Ascendant or Rising Sign or in Esoteric Astrology the Cross of Matter representing Earth.

Mercury represents the messenger and connector, logical reasoning capabilities, left brain processes, communication, transportation, movement, dexterity, writing, thought, ambiguity and ambivalence.

Its expression is making connection between different concepts, bridging gaps and exploring duality. Its psychology is linear, logical thought. Its urge is to express perception and intelligence through skill and its need is to connect and learn. Orbit 88 day. Ruler of Gemini and Virgo.

The glyph of Mercury is a combination of the cross of Matter, the circle of Spirit, and the semi-circle of the Moon (Soul). This symbol has always been considered complex and has had several interpretations but basically it stands for active intelligence.

The glyph of Mercury is also a simplified pictograph of the Caduceus, the baton of wisdom carried by the god Hermes.
Boadicea

and Venus?:D
Skywriter

Venus represents love, attraction, balance, beauty and harmony. Its expression is the forces of attraction and adhesion. In ancient scripts Venus is known as the Lesser Benefic.

Its psychology is relating both inter-personally and spiritually while fulfilling balance and equipoise and finding value and relating to it. Its urge is to connect and relate and its need is to join and feel unity. Orbit 225 days. Ruler of TAURUS and LIBRA.
Boadicea

Loooveee:X:X:X:X:XX
Skywriter

The glyph of Venus reveals the marriage of the male and female forces of the Universe the manifestation of which is seen as the Cross of Matter (Earth and Water/female elements) placed under the Circle (Fire and Air/male elements).
Boadicea

:)
Skywriter

The Ankh is an ancient symbol for Venus. Ankh means life, and the Ansata shows that from One Unisexual Parent has come the division of all manifested forms into their attributes of male and female (the cross).

Mars represents the ability to act and remain who one is in the face of pressure and change and to maintain true nature against threats.

Its expression is direct, forceful and one pointed while pursuing goals and desires and representative of fight or flight responses. In ancient scripts Mars is known as the Lesser Malefic.

Its psychology is assertion and aggression. Its urge is to act and to win and expend energy in a focused manner. Its need is to challenge and survive. Orbit 688 days. Ruler of ARIES. Ancient ruler and still contemporary co-ruler of SCORPIO.

The glyph of Mars is a pictograph of the shield and lance of Ares. It is also said to depict an erect penis, the symbol of his virility and procreative powers.

Jupiter represents the desire for growth and expansion, freedom, faith and spirituality. Its expression is the expansion of consciousness, humor, philosophy, the higher mind and desire worldliness through experience and attained knowledge.
Boadicea

all we need i'ts loove
Skywriter

Its psychology includes growth and expansion through our understanding of the world and how we experience faith and grace. In ancient scripts Jupiter is known as the Great Benefic.

Its urge is to contribute to the larger order and to connect with something greater than the self. Its need is self improvement. Orbit every 12 years. Ruler of Sagittarius. Ancient ruler of Pisces.

Jupiter' glyph is the semicircle of the Moon rising above the Cross of matter. As a male planet, Jupiter is a representation of the solar force.

Saturn represents structure, responsibility and authority. Its expression is to make things tangible, set up boundaries and to give physical manifestation and form to ideas and concepts.

Its psychology includes perception of society and how we experience authority internally and externally and respond/react to it.

Its urge is to protect and limit when necessary and its need is for self reliance, self discipline and responsibility. Orbit 29 1/2 years. Ruler of Capricorn. Ancient ruler of AQUARIUS.

Saturn's glyph is composed of the same two symbols of Jupiter's glyph but they are inverted. The glyph is the cross imposed over the semicircle.

This glyph represents the principle of contraction which is the opposite of Jupiter's glyph which represents expansion. It also represents the Law of Limitation (conservation of matter and energy).

Uranus represents the unexpected and disruptive for good or ill including accidents and miracles. Within its energy is contained the process of spiritual awakening and that which transcends cause and effect.

Its expression is sudden, instantaneous, unconventional and chaotic. Its psychology includes sudden flashes of creative inspiration and the need for reevaluation which forces change.

Its urge is to change and disrupt without regard for feelings and its need is to exert ego-less unpredictable force. Orbit 84 years. Ruler of AQUARIUS.

The glyph for Uranus stands for the joining together of the soul of man (one semi-circle) with the Divine soul of infinite manifestation (the other semi-circle).

The two semi-circles rest on either side of the cross. This symbolizes the linking of the human with the Divine that leads to evolutionary growth. The small circle is the force of the energizing Spirit whose life flow makes it All possible

Neptune, in its uniquely oblique way, represents the truth that reality is an illusion. It also represents the ultimate potential for Universal creation and creativity. Its expression is to dissolve all boundaries and structures revealing that anything is possible.

Its psychology concerns the ability to fantasize and dream and connect with the incomprehensible and infinite potential of the Universe. Its urge is to reveal ultimate truth and its need is to merge with the One. Orbit 165 years. Ruler of PISCES.

Neptune is also a Higher Octave planet and is the higher vibration of Venus. The glyph for Neptune is a pictograph of the Trident held by the Lord of the Oceans.
Ero

:)
steve

I really appreciate this deciphering of planetary attributes.. when all attributes are recognized and accounted for, we are able to put them to practical use -- by recognizing which planetary aspect we are expressing it helps us to know which aspects work best for each moment in time
Skywriter

YAY!

The semicircle of the Soul is pierced by the Cross of Matter and the result is a three pronged fork. Each prong symbolizes an aspect of human consciousness that is to be purified in the divine waters of Neptune.

Pluto represents death and rebirth. It is the ultimate destructive force of the Universe and butt kicker. Its expression and psychology is related to our fears concerning lack of control and also where we try to exercise control.

It urge is for transformation and evolution and fulfillment of the Soul purpose and cosmic task. Its need is to totally let go and allow something new to take form. How do you surrender to what is vital to your ultimate growth? Orbit 248 years. Ruler of Scorpio.

Pluto is the third of the Higher Octave planets being the higher vibration of Mars. In this glyph is found the semicircle of the Soul is linked to the Cross of Matter and hovering above the linkage is the circle of Spirit. It is considered the capsulization of the whole process of involution and evo

The planetoid Chiron represents where we encounter and have the opportunity to accept spirituality often through a "wound" or weakness.
Ero

the wounded healer
Skywriter

Its expression is to trigger initiation by carrying and translating the light (lessons) of the outer planets. Its psychology relates to the core wound carried in a lifetime whereby we experience fear and pain.

Its urge is to heal, to transcend the physical and connect with the Universal. Its need is to carry the outer light to the physical body so the process of spiritual transformation can occur. Orbit 51 1/2 years. Chiron does not specifically rule a sign but it is thought to be strongly tied to Virgo

The glyph of Chiron is the letter O and the letter K standing for “Object Kowal” since it was a heavenly body discovered by astronomer Charles Kowal. The glyph resembles a “key” which is thought to open the door to higher consciousness and healing.

Go to the link for “rulership visual”: http://www.esotericonline.net/group/astrology/page/esotericonline-a...

You can see the symbols there

Everyone doing OK?
Dirt Fish

yes!
Skywriter

We have just a bit more!
Pat S

:)
steve

yes much thanks
Me

yes thank you, this is excellent
Skywriter

YAY!

OK let's continue..

There are a set of conditions surrounding the planets know as ESENTIAL DIGNITIES. They are part of Classical Astrology and predate the discovery of the outer planets Uranus, Neptune and Pluto by almost two thousand years.

What has survived into modern Astrology are the terms DOMINION, DETRIMENT FALL, and EXALTATION. When a chart is cast the planets will all occupy the signs they were transiting at birth.

According to the degree of the sign in which they fall, the planets will also occupy the Houses. There are a few simple rules to follow to figure out the status of a planet.

When a planet is in DOMINION, it simply sits in the House that it rules. I.E. Sun/Leo; Cancer/Moon; Mercury/Gemini or Virgo; Venus/Taurus or Libra; Mars/Aries; Jupiter/Sagittarius; Saturn/Capricorn; Uranus/Aquarius; Neptune/Pisces; Pluto/Scorpio.

The planets are “at home” in these signs where it works with ease. When planets are in EXALTED they are in comfortable signs where they can be described as honored guests but they are also bound by certain standards for acceptable behavior.

EXALTED planets act on the spiritual/soul level which the Greeks called Nous.

The Sun is EXALTED in Aries; Moon in Taurus; Mercury in Aquarius; Venus in Pisces; Mars in Capricorn; Jupiter in Cancer; Saturn in Libra; Uranus in Scorpio; Neptune in Leo (some prefer Gemini) and Pluto in Pisces (some prefer Leo).
Boadicea

too fast for me
Skywriter

When a planet is in its Polarity Sign it is in DETRIMENT. They are not weakened but tend to exhibit their energies in inappropriate ways to their current situation. These planets operate on the mental/emotional plane.
Ero

pop out ur chatwindow ;)
Skywriter

The Sun is in DETRIMENT in Aquarius; Moon in Capricorn; Mercury in Sagittarius; Venus in Scorpio; Mars in Libra; Jupiter in Gemini; Saturn in Cancer; Uranus in Leo; Neptune in Virgo and Pluto in Taurus.
Boadicea

thx
Skywriter

A planet is in FALL when it occupies the sign that is opposite to its EXALTATION. When a planet is in this state it will operate with the least amount of strength. It is like they are stranded in a foreign country and have little influence.

Under this condition a planet operates on the physical plane.

The Sun is in FALL in Libra; Moon in Scorpio; Mercury in Pisces; Venus in Virgo; Mars in Cancer; Jupiter in Capricorn; Saturn in Aries; Uranus in Taurus; Neptune in Aquarius(or Sagittarius) and Pluto in Virgo (or Aquarius).

There is plenty of controversy about the dignities for Uranus, Neptune and Pluto since this concept originated with the planets that “could be seen by the naked eye.” Mercury tends to break the rules as well. I have listed the dignities that I use.

<In some cases, if you are considering the ancient rulerships of Mars for Scorpio and Jupiter for Pisces, when doing an Horary Chart, simply follow the rules listed.>

The planets are also subject to Accidental Dignity, Exaltation, Fall and Detriment according to house placement. House placement is more selective. Astrological opinion varies on this subject. You can check the illustration for these placements.
Wadjet

either my puter froze or chat stopped abruptly
Skywriter

Go to link “dignities/debilities” visual: http://www.esotericonline.net/group/astrology/page/esotericonline-a...
steve

its going on
Skywriter

Another interesting planetary condition is known as MUTUAL RECEPTION. This involves two planets that are occupying each other’s signs. For example Venus in Aries and Mars in Libra or Taurus are in MUTUAL RECEPTION because they are in the signs each other rule.

This is considered a very beneficial and harmonious relationship between two planets. It is as though you can blend the energies indicated by each planet into one line of action.

The harmony of the two planets gives an overlay or additional help in bringing out the best each planet has to offer in whatever sign and house it may occupy and whatever aspects it makes. It is easier for the individual to use the most positive qualities possible within the boundaries of the horos

Not all charts have planets in mutual reception but it is important to take special note if they do. In observing a chart sometimes one planet stands out, perhaps it is elevated (in the 9th or 10th house) or because it makes or receives more aspects than any other planet which is known as high focus

A high focus planet is often involved in a chart configuration but this is not a prerequisite for high focus.

In my chart for example, Neptune is elevated in the 10th House of Career

Can you guess what this is a signature of?
Ero

uhm
Skywriter

Guess it's easy

What does Sky do for a living?
Ero

carreer without boundries :)
Dirt Fish

haha
Skywriter

That would be correct Ero!
Ero

:D
Skywriter

Sky is an astrologer right?
Lancia

yes
Skywriter

It is one of the signature of an astrologer
Krishna

people dont even realise that its not the movement of the planets what determines your personality its the energys of the chakras up the spine Planetery astrology is an external way of percieving it
Skywriter

Can you guess what another one might be?
Lancia

and I am not:)..my hat to you Sky
Pat S

sky writer?
Skywriter

K the planets and chakras are aligned with each other
Eagle

:-*
Skywriter

Uranus elevated is another signature of an astrologer

In the next astro-chat we will cover the Signs as “Roles” and how their energies affect the House they occupy.

In the meantime I will post ALL of this on a page in the astrology group.
Dirt Fish

cool thank you, Sky.
Skywriter

with the visuals
Jody Bodiford

thx
steve

Thanks! so awesome
Skywriter

You can inbox me if you get stuck
Ero

lookin forward :) thx for this
Skywriter

The next chat is next Sunday

Thank you for your courtesy

You all get an A
Boadicea

thx
Ero

i didnt know abt today... was here by luck
Mardi

thanks:-D
Pat S

awesome! ;)
Ommi

thanx again Sky
♏αgʊš ☿

our twelve tribes of israel making our way through the red sea. :) This was Awesome Sauce, Sky! :)
Skywriter

Very good students!
Awofalola AdeOsun Obaseye

Excellent Thank you Skywriter
Skywriter

I am proud of you
Ero

mardi in french is related to mars

Skywriter

Thank you all very much for attending

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