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Many see the descent of Spirit into Matter as what had occurred in the story of The Fall of Man. I believe this to be the case, so what is its purpose, and what does this mean on our journey?

In my studies, I have learned that this "fall" was crucial to our development as spiritual beings. It also seems to be a common aspect of nearly all traditions of The Mysteries, and the reverse of this becomes the path for the initiate in the acquisition of higher levels of consciousness. This path of descent can be seen as:

Yod -> He -> Vav -> He / Spirit Fire Water Air Earth - The attributes of Jehovah and hence, of us.


Traveling down the Sephirot, this was the descent, so Spirit could become Matter. You will see that nearly all teachings have to do directly with traveling back upward, however the intent should not be to reject the Matter or Material Plane, but to raise it up with you on your journey so Matter can once again become Spirit, a return to the source. In this way a fully realized soul can become fully integrated with Spirit, and exist on the Material/Earthly Plane.

You will also see this in the Eastern Traditions, where Spirit enters the Crown (Sahasrara) Chakra, descends through the elementals, and comes to rest in the Base/Root (Muladhara) Chakra, and for many remains there. So in the East the goal is also to raise the Matter (Body) back up to the Crown (Sahasrara) Chakra, gaining the highest level of consciousness.

This process of course is the same in Alchemy, where the Lead is the Base/Root (Muladhara) Chakra, and through mastery of the Physical, Mental, and Emotional Planes, one can raise their consciousness to the level of Gold through the supplied Alchemical processes of Spiritual Alchemy, which is done primarily through the application of Heat/Fire/Shin.

Many of you may be attracted to a particular path, such as Alchemy like myself. However, are the Mysteries and the Mystery Schools of Alchemy, Qabala, or Rosicrucian and others different? Most Definitely not, there is but One Mystery. And I see an enormous benefit for understanding some or a great deal of each path, so one can see the patterns, the equality. Most paths contains most of the teachings needed, however, almost all have some missing pieces that another path may provide.

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Indeed, the emanations from the Tree is in Spirit and can be transmuted into Matter and vice versa. I do agree that the material form must not be rejected but transmuted to a higher state or brought into full expression. The present state of homo-sapien and the percentage of mental faculties being used makes it obvious that there potential for evolution. This evolution is the effect of Spirit acting on the physical body to create a vessel that allows for greater expression of Spirit, and manifestation into material form.
I can understand what you are saying. I consider myself a student of the inner Christian tradition. If you look at exoteric Christianity however, the one thing that you see people arguing over (especially fundamentalists) is how man was created, they argue over creationism or evolution like as if it were something of value to argue over. I of course have come to understand the more esoteric side of The Lords Prayer when Christ says "On Earth, As In Heaven" which is similar to saying "As Above So Below". There is a spiritual evolution, and so there is also a physical evolution as well. Which is why I can take in and accept to a large degree the theory of evolution as well as the big bang and the geological history of the planet, again to a large degree, not everything in the Evolutionary theory (E.g. Evolution merely being a response to various Chaotic stimuli).

However, I digress, focusing on the spiritual fall into matter, the point I wanted to make was, these arguments over how we were created seems to be missing one very important point. I refer to this excerpt from Genesis:

"Then God said, 'Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground.'... 'You will not surely die,' the serpent said to the woman. 'For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.' When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it. Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized they were naked; so they sewed fig leaves together and made coverings for themselves... The LORD God made garments of skin for Adam and his wife and clothed them. And the LORD God said, 'The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.'" (Genesis 1:26; 3:4-7,21-22)

Now look at this, man is made in God's image and likeness (which is Spirit), man is spiritual until God "made garments of skin for Adam and his wife and clothed them." Shortly after that they are forced to leave this garden as well in the World which as other verses from God suggest is a hard and barren place. I think based on this this is the decent of spirit into matter, like you said The Fall is that. This is my conflict in understanding between Exoteric Christian Dogma and Esoteric Christian Awareness, so my question is than, is it right to look at man as a 3 Fold Being (Body-Soul-Spirit)? Because, even the author of this said that it is our job to "spiritualize" the matter, and I have heard this from Christian Orthodox teaching as well.
Firstly, you should realize the old testament is NOT a christian writing, it may even be considered not a Judaic writing. If you have ever read the original Hebrew translation into English, you will see how very different it is. Once man "becomes like of of us" he can not un-become, the expulsion from eden was much more of a revengeful act due to non-compliance in my opinion. It never said, "behold, man is no longer like one of us" now that he is expelled.

The Fall to me, does not imply we are fallen beings and no longer spiritual, we must get over this presumed curse, as it is primarily used for subversive purposes. Spirit has ALWAYS been in man and matter since creation, and always will be, its where WE are that counts. There is no spiritualization of matter, its where matter chooses to exist, In the realm of the physical, or in the realm if Fire and Spirit. This is the work of the alchemist, to separate the body, soul, and spirit, purify the body and soul with fire, and recombine back with spirit, Solve Et Coagula. It is the impurities that keep us from recognizing spirit, listening to spirit, and living in spirit.

You will always have conflict between Exoteric Christian Dogma and Esoteric Christian Awareness, one is meant for the masses, one is meant for the disciple, Christ clearly explains this in Matthew 13:11-13, "To you it is given to know the mysteries of the Kingdom of Heaven, but it is not given to them. For whoever has, to him will be given, and he will have abundance, but whoever doesn't have, from him will be taken away even that which he has. Therefore I speak to them in parables, because seeing they don't see, and hearing, they don't hear, neither do they understand.".

Not to mention, as I am sure you are aware, much has been altered, added, or taken away in the christian texts, primarily at the hands of Constantine.
I like to breakdown and reply to certain things people have said to better organize my arguments…


“Firstly, you should realize the Old Testament is NOT a Christian writing, it may even be considered not a Judaic writing. If you have ever read the original Hebrew translation into English, you will see how very different it is.”

Well if it’s not Old Testament writing by the Jews than who made it? I have heard it is a collection of ancient writings from all over, but I never seen really any writing that tries to explain this or go in more detailed. I have hear also that the original Hebrew is very different than the English translation too, but I also know that the Greek writing in the New Testament is much different sounding than the English writing as well. So any resources you can suggest for me?


“… the expulsion from eden was much more of a revengeful act due to non-compliance in my opinion.”

No, I know your right, in Eastern Orthodoxy though it is part of the belief that the fall and expulsion from Eden was not meant to be vengeful, but rather meant to put everything motion into Gods plan. Again, everything happens for a reason, even if “down here” we might not understand it.


“The Fall to me, does not imply we are fallen beings and no longer spiritual, we must get over this presumed curse, as it is primarily used for subversive purposes. Spirit has ALWAYS been in man and matter since creation, and always will be, it’s where WE are that counts.”

Well as part of the belief this fallen nature does not mean we are no longer spiritual either it simply means, we have lost sight of that part of our nature, it’s the effects of falling short, or missing the mark of God. In Eastern Orthodoxy sin is not seen as something, legalistic like a transgression (as it is understood in the west) rather sin is seen as a sickness to be overcome, and I think we can all understand that we do have problems that need to be overcome. To deceive ourselves and say we do not seems to me to be unspiritual. We need to know ourselves yet again, the Kingdom lies within, that’s where we are truly meant to be. Sin to me, is impurities to you.


“You will always have conflict between Exoteric Christian Dogma and Esoteric Christian Awareness, one is meant for the masses, one is meant for the disciple, and Christ clearly explains this in Matthew 13:11-13… Not to mention, as I am sure you are aware, much has been altered, added, or taken away in the Christian texts, primarily at the hands of Constantine.”

I am aware of this and read the apocryphal texts as well, particular Gospel of Thomas and Philip but others as well. You should understand that even some of the Eastern Orthodox writers, from time to time write the same ideas as the apocryphal texts say as well. Many well known mystics have spoken things that seem to be in conflict with the exoteric too.
What you wrote here, is what i have been told in my heart for years
Myself as well Jonathan, and everything I have studied confirms what my heart has know of this.

Thank you for commenting.
Very well said, and great to meet you.

The Stone provides precisely what you describe above when the observer exists in both the material and spiritual simultaneously, as well as additional indescribable dimensions. This is a fundamental experience to the true initiate.

Through our divinity we overcome fate.

Bravo.


Tris
It sounds like you are suggesting that, (1) by manifesting the machine of life in the form of man out of the material universe, gross matter is transmuted from physical energy into universal energy in the engines of our individual minds, (2) that which is not transmuted into universal energy is dissolved back into the material universe to be re-engineered into a new machine, (3) by being conscious of our individual mind we can connect with the eternal spirit and increase our ability to transmute gross matter into universal energy, (4) those with the proper connection may be able to transmute the entirety of their individual minds into universal energy.

I`m sorry, but I saw a couple of things that seems strange to me:

1) the Spirit is symbolized by the ש, which, if we are talking about 5 elements, you obviously had missed;

2) classical view on 4 elements tells us that all of them are in the Malkhut, so how can they be higher, without being risen there through Spirit?;

3) classical Tetragrammaton is the name of G-d only in Assiah and applying it`s logic to the whole creation is very questionable.  


However, we definitely can find the similarities between different paths of spiritual evolution. I think that G-d didn`t ever left any culture without his Lite, and so he gave to every culture the exact amount of Truth they can handle by that time and gave a path they can go before they will knew about Logos. 

very well said

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