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Scheduled Chat: Alchemy - Lesson 4 / Processes - TRANSRCIPT

<EO_Tris>: Hello and welcome everyone, we'll get started in a few minutes
<EO_Tris>: Greetings everyone, thank you for being here this evening. It's great for us to get together like this, and explore subjects in a more real-time fashion.
<EO_Tris>: This discussion tonight has a lot of material associated with it, I therefore kindly ask you to hold your questions and comments until an appropriate time. In this manner we can move through everything and still have a chance for discussion and everyone attending can get the maximum benefit from each discussion.
<EO_Tris>: This evening I will be going over the 7 stages in Spiritual Alchemy, and how they correspond. We will also see the 7 stages in accordance to Freemasonry (time permitting), and their meanings. I do understand that in some interpretations there are 12, however this is most likely due to expanding on existing ones
<EO_Tris>: Therefore we will working with an interpretation covering the core 7 stages today.
<EO_Tris>: To give some interpretation of the imagery in Alchemy as I move through the processes, I have assembled some imagery according to the stages here:
<EO_Tris>: Shall we get started?
<senshi>: aye
<adyrcz>: yes
<etrnl_optmst>: indeed
<Qohelet6l1tchT>: nice
<EO_Tris>: Excellent!
<Qohelet6l1tchT>: i didn t know there were other rooms
<EO_Tris>: For these types of discussion, indeed
<Qohelet6l1tchT>: yes!
<EO_Tris>: OK, last time we covered the stage of Calcination, and will be included here as review - however at this time I feel it will be beneficial to move through them all in sequence, to see how they tie together in a more efficient manner.
<Qohelet6l1tchT>: you know I am somewhat familiriazed with the phases, but I am more acquainted with the actual metals involved, or ofcourse i means to say; spiritual centers
<Qohelet6l1tchT>: awesome
<EO_Tris>: First Stage - Calcination
<sean1>: lets do it
<Qohelet6l1tchT>: k
<Qohelet6l1tchT>: all ears
<Qohelet6l1tchT>: uh.. eyes
<EO_Tris>: Chemically, the Calcination process involves heating a substance in a crucible or over an open flame until it is reduced to ashes. In the Arcanum Experiment, Calcination is represented by sulfuric acid, which the alchemists made from a naturally occurring substance called Vitriol.
<sean1>: haha like with marijuana fry your mind...and it turns out enlightening
<EO_Tris>: . Sulfuric acid is a powerful corrosive that eats away flesh and reacts with all metals except gold.
<EO_Tris>: Psychologically, this is the destruction of ego and our attachments to material possessions.
<Qohelet6l1tchT>: i think i have endured such
<EO_Tris>: Calcination is usually a natural humbling process as we are gradually assaulted and overcome by the trials and tribulations of life, though it can be a deliberate surrender of our inherent hubris gained through a variety of spiritual disciplines that ignite the fire of introspection and self-evaluation.
<Qohelet6l1tchT>: nice agreed
<EO_Tris>: Physiologically, the Fire of Calcination can be experienced as the metabolic discipline or aerobic activity that tunes the body, burning off excesses from overindulgence and producing a lean, mean, fighting machine. Calcination begins in the Base or Lead Chakra at the sacral cup at the base of the spine.
<EO_Tris>: In Society, the Calcination is expressed in the lives of revolutionaries, conquerors, and other warriors who try to overthrow the status quo. On the Planetary level, it is the Fire of creation, the formation of a livable environment from molten matter and volcanic ashes.
<Qohelet6l1tchT>: so you mean like exercise?
<EO_Tris>: On a physical level, yes
<Qohelet6l1tchT>: ok
<sean1>: its the manifestation of evolution...depleting the unneeded
<EO_Tris>: on an emotional level, a different approach perhaps
<sean1>: selection and such
<EO_Tris>: although excersise is tied to emotional states
<EO_Tris>: Second Stage - Dissolution
<EO_Tris>: Chemically, it is the dissolving the ashes from Calcination in water. In the Arcanum Experiment, Dissolution is represented by iron oxide or rust, which illustrated the potentially corrosive powers of Water on even the hardest of metals.
<EO_Tris>: . When processed, Vitriol breaks down into sulfuric acid and iron oxide, which are the first two arcana or secret ingredients. The Egyptians smelted Iron as far back as 1500 BCE and used iron compounds in tonics and as disinfectants.
<sean1>: salts of sweat
<EO_Tris>: Psychologically, this represents a further breaking down of the artificial structures of the psyche by total immersion in the unconscious, non-rational, feminine/masculine or rejected part of our minds.
<EO_Tris>: It is, for the most part, an unconscious process in which our conscious minds let go of control to allow the surfacing of buried material.
<EO_Tris>: It is opening the floodgates and generating new energy from the waters held back. Dissolution can be experienced as “flow,” the bliss of being well-used and actively engaged in creative acts without traditional prejudices, personal hang-ups, or established hierarchy getting in the way.
<EO_Tris>: Notice in the imagery page of dissolution, how these are represented
<EO_Tris>: Physiologically, Dissolution is the continuance of the kundalini experience, the opening-up of energy channels in the body to recharge and elevate every single cell. Dissolution takes place in the Genital or Tin Chakra and involves the lungs and spleen.
<sean1>: the caves work is producing crystals
<EO_Tris>: In Society, the process of steady growth through gradual Dissolution is exemplified by agrarian, monastic, or agriculture-based lifestyles. On the Planetary level, Dissolution is the Great Flood, the cleansing of the earth of all that is inferior.
<EO_Tris>: Third Stage - Separation
<EO_Tris>: Chemically, it is the isolation of the components of Dissolution by filtration and then discarding any ungenuine or unworthy material.
<EO_Tris>: In the Arcanum Experiment, Separation is represented by the compound sodium carbonate, which separates out of water and appears as white soda ash on dry lake-beds.
<EO_Tris>: The oldest known deposits are in Egypt. The alchemists sometimes referred to this compound as Natron, which meant the common tendency in all salts to form solid bodies or precipitates.
<EO_Tris>: Psychologically, this process is the rediscovery of our essence and the reclaiming of dream and visionary “gold” previously rejected by the masculine, rational part of our minds. It is, for the most part, a conscious process in which we review formerly hidden material and decide what to discard and what to reintegrate into our refined personality.
<EO_Tris>: Much of this shadowy material is things we are ashamed of or were taught to hide away by our parents, churches, and schooling. Separation is letting go of the self-inflicted restraints to our true nature, so we can shine through.
<Hunter>: In my case Dissolution / Separation of the conscious union relationship
<Hunter>: AKA Divorce
<EO_Tris>: Nice analogy
<Hunter>: TY
<EO_Tris>: These processes can be found in nearly everything, yes
<EO_Tris>: Physiologically, Separation is following and controlling the breath in the body as it works with the forces of Spirit and Soul to give birth to new energy and physical renewal. Separation begins in the Navel or Iron Chakra located at the level of the solar plexus.
<EO_Tris>: In Society, Separation is expressed as the establishment of clans, cities, and nationalities. Separation on the Planetary level is represented by the formation of land masses and islands from the powerful forces of Air, Water, Earth, and Fire.
<sean1>: from a natural product....disambigued into uses
<EO_Tris>: indeed
<EO_Tris>: Fourth Stage - Conjunction
<EO_Tris>: Chemically, it is the recombination of the saved elements from Separation into a new substance. In the Arcanum Experiment, Conjunction is symbolized by a nitrate compound known as cubic-saltpeter or potassium nitrate, which the alchemists called Natron or simply Salt.
<EO_Tris>: Blue-colored Natron acid, (aqua fortis), was made by mixing potassium nitrate with sulfuric acid and was used to separate silver from gold. The inert residue precipitated from the acid during the reaction like a child being born.
<EO_Tris>: Psychologically, it is empowerment of our true selves, the union of both the masculine and feminine sides of our personalities into a new belief system or an intuitive state of consciousness.
<sean1>: in the analogy of salt peter...once discovered of uses....becomes commodity
<EO_Tris>: The alchemists referred to it as the Lesser Stone, and after it is achieved, the adept is able to clearly discern what needs to be done to achieve lasting enlightenment, which is union with the self. Often, synchronicities begin to occur that confirm the alchemist is on the right track.
<EO_Tris>: Physiologically, Conjunction is using the body’s sexual energies for personal transformation. Conjunction takes place in the body at the level of the Heart or Copper Chakra.
<EO_Tris>: In Society, it is the growth of crafts and technology to master the environment. On the Planetary level, Conjunction occurs when primordial life forms are created from the energy of the Sun or lightning.
<Hunter>: Will conjuction ever result insynergy
<EO_Tris>: Oh yes, very much so
<sean1>: its assimilated imo
<Hunter>: or in a more extreme instance Propagation
<EO_Tris>: Fifth Stage - Fermentation
<EO_Tris>: Fermentation is a two-stepped process that begins with the Putrefaction of the hermaphroditic “child” from the Conjunction resulting in its death and resurrection to a new level of being. The Fermentation phase then begins with the introduction of new life into the product of Conjunction to strengthen it and insure its survival.
<Hunter>: Propagation as seen in the use of explosives but somewhere inbetween Synergy and Propagation
<EO_Tris>: Chemically, Fermentation is the growth of a ferment (bacteria) in organic solutions, such as occurs in the fermenting of milk to produce curds and cheese or in the fermenting of grapes to make wine.
<EO_Tris>: In the Arcanum Experiment, the process of Fermentation is represented by a compound called Liquor Hepatis, which is an oily, reddish-brown mixture of ammonia and the rotten-egg-smelling compound hydrogen sulfide.
<EO_Tris>: Egyptian alchemists made ammonia by heating camel dung in sealed containers and thought of it as a kind of refined Mercury that embodied the life force.
<EO_Tris>: Liquor Hepatis means “Liquor of the Liver,” which they believed was the seat of the Soul, and the color they associated with the compound was green, the color of bile. Surprisingly, Liquor Hepatis exudes a wonderful fragrance, and the alchemists made a perfume of it called “Balsam of the Soul.”
<sean1>: the adjunction from the resolving of conjunction
<sean1>: adjacent*
<EO_Tris>: Psychologically, the Fermentation process starts with the inspiration of spiritual power from Above that reanimates, energizes, and enlightens the alchemist. Out of the blackness of his Putrefaction comes the yellow Ferment, which appears like a golden wax flowing out of the foul matter of the Soul.
<sean1>: dunno the word
<Hunter>: P U
<EO_Tris>: . Its arrival is announced by a brilliant display of colors and meaningful visions called the “Peacock’s Tail.” In previous lessons, this is called Cauda Pavonis.
<EO_Tris>: Fermentation can be achieved through various activities that include intense prayer, desire for mystical union, breakdown of the personality, transpersonal therapy, psychedelic drugs, and deep meditation. Fermentation is living inspiration from something totally beyond us.
<EO_Tris>: Physiologically, Fermentation is the rousing of living energy (chi or kundalini) in the body to heal and vivify. It is expressed as vibratory tones and spoken truths emerging from the Throat or Mercury Chakra.
<Hunter>: Great way to inspire the creative minds of these guys with too much time on their hands ,,, Joking
<EO_Tris>: In Society, the Fermentation experience is the basis of religion. On the Planetary level, it is the evolution of life to produce higher consciousness.
<mib_7s1w3x>: it chose it
<Hunter>: Very true and incredable
<EO_Tris>: Sixth Stage - Distillation
<EO_Tris>: Chemically, it is the boiling and condensation of the fermented solution to increase its purity, such as takes place in the distilling of wine to make brandy.
<EO_Tris>: In the Arcanum Experiment, Distillation is represented by a compound known as Black Pulvis Solaris, which is made by mixing black antimony with purified sulfur. The two immediately clump together to make what the alchemists called a bezoar, a kind of sublimated solid that forms in the intestines and brain.
<EO_Tris>: Psychologically, Distillation is the agitation and sublimation of psychic forces is necessary to ensure that no impurities from the inflated ego or deeply submerged id are incorporated into the next and final stage.
<EO_Tris>: Personal Distillation consists of a variety of introspective techniques that raise the content of the psyche to the highest level possible, free from sentimentality and emotions, cut off even from one’s personal identity. Distillation is the purification of the unborn Self, all that we truly are and can be.
<sean1>: a buffer?
<EO_Tris>: a discernment for example
<Hunter>: Purification
<EO_Tris>: yes
<sean1>: hmm a pyscological buffer
<Hunter>: Yes Yes
<EO_Tris>: Physiologically, Distillation is raising the life force repeatedly from the lower regions in the cauldron of the body to the brain (what Oriental alchemists called the Circulation of the Light), where it eventually becomes a wondrous solidifying light full of power.
<EO_Tris>: Distillation is said to culminate in the Third, Eye area of the forehead, at the level of the pituitary and pineal glands, in the Brow or Silver Chakra.
<sean1>: stillness of mind produces undefined existence...which then can be shifted
<EO_Tris>: In Society, the Distillation experience is expressed as science and objective experimentation. On the Planetary level, Distillation is the realization of the power of higher love, as the life force on the entire planet gradually seeks to become one force in nature based on a shared vision of Truth.
<mib_7s1w3x>: true
<sean1>: absolving
<Hunter>: Just like we are trying to do before Dec 21 to SHIFT as one unit
<Qohelet6l1tchT>: ok this is going kind of quick and im taking notes and drawing diagrams andd stuff
<Qohelet6l1tchT>: i have a question
<sean1>: fear destroys mind...into a new born
<Qohelet6l1tchT>: these processes
<mib_7s1w3x>: moment you think about it it is gone
<Qohelet6l1tchT>: and their attributes, would it be safe to say, that the symbolism in it; that perhaps the universal function may send these to the alcehmist or aspirant as a sort of omen/>
<Qohelet6l1tchT>: ?
<EO_Tris>: in certain ways, absolutely
<sean1>: it is an array that forms an omen of new form
<EO_Tris>: the raven for example, symbolising Nigredo
<mib_7s1w3x>: best words i have to read in a long time
<sean1>: that takes hold
<mib_7s1w3x>: libertad
<Hunter>: That shifts as shap shifter Raven
<EO_Tris>: There are truly many ways these processes, as with Kabbalah, appear within our lives
<EO_Tris>: symbolism speaks to our subconscious because it unserstands
<mib_7s1w3x>: few faces makes for ecclectic vision
<Hunter>: In the Medicine wheel the Raven represents The Coming Of Change , am I right
<Qohelet6l1tchT>: alright let me scroll up and jot down a few more things.
<EO_Tris>: For sure, rest assured too that the entire convo should stay here for reference, as well as a transcript created
<mib_7s1w3x>: i actually understood
<EO_Tris>: OK, just one more stage in this set of process here from the International Alchemy Guilde
<EO_Tris>: I definitely recommend the images for this stage, very telling of this process
<Hunter>: I like how this gives a dualistic effect , One in the Material world and one in the higher thinking psyychological world bAS ABOVE SO BELOW
<mib_7s1w3x>: the man swimming ment most to me
<EO_Tris>: Yes, and that's why its important to take them all into account, and why the alchemists did the physical experiments
<EO_Tris>: Great point hunter
<mib_7s1w3x>: and women with the world as a baby
<Hunter>: TY
<EO_Tris>: In the stage of Coagulation, is where the philosophers stone, medicine, is attained or discovered, deep within.
<EO_Tris>: Chemically, Coagulation is the precipitation or sublimation of the purified Ferment from Distillation. In the Arcanum Experiment, Coagulation is represented by a compound called Red Pulvis Solaris, which is a reddish-orange powder of pure sulfur mixed with the therapeutic mercury compound, red mercuric oxide.
<EO_Tris>: The name Pulvis Solaris means “Powder of the Sun” and the alchemists believed it could instantly perfect any substance to which it was added.
<EO_Tris>: Psychologically, Coagulation is first sensed as a new confidence that is beyond all things, though many experience it as a Second Body of golden coalesced light, a permanent vehicle of consciousness that embodies the highest aspirations and evolution of mind.
<Hunter>: Great Visuals .. A couple of funny ones.. Looks like they try to keep their but warm to get good ideas or dreams flowing
<EO_Tris>: . Coagulation incarnates and releases the Ultima Materia of the soul, the Astral Body, which the alchemists also referred to it as the Greater or Philosopher’s Stone. Using this magical Stone, the alchemists believed they could exist on all levels of reality.
<EO_Tris>: Physiologically, this stage is marked by the release of the Elixir in the blood that rejuvenates the body into a perfect vessel of health. A brain ambrosia is said to be released through the interaction of light from the phallic-shaped pineal gland and matter from the vulva of the pituitary.
<Qohelet6l1tchT>: coagulation ha! intersting
<Qohelet6l1tchT>: mind my just got tickled
<EO_Tris>: This heavenly food or viaticum both nourishes and energizes the cells without any waste products being produced. These physiological and psychological processes create the Second Body, a body of solid light that emerges through the Crown or Gold Chakra.
<EO_Tris>: In Society, it is the living wisdom in which everyone exists within the same light of evolved consciousness and knowledge of Truth. On the Planetary level, Coagulation is a return to the Garden of Eden, this time on a higher level in tune with the divine mind.
<Hunter>: No waste and a tickle to boot
<Hunter>: LOL
<EO_Tris>: This is the state of perfection all evolution is moving to
<etrnl_optmst>: from many, one
<EO_Tris>: Some at greater speeds merely through assistance of the processes, by applying Will or Fire.
<Hunter>: Great insight to be returning to the Garden on a higher level
<EO_Tris>: This is the Alchemists greatest tool, Fire, and it brings about true purification and transformation, on all levels.
<Hunter>: I am the God Of Fire They Bring me to Burn .......
<KenAdeptus>: Very cool
<mib_7s1w3x>: amazing confirmation
<EO_Tris>: Now, I did wanted to also mention the stages as seen or represented in Freemasonry, to understand their application
<Hunter>: Good song too
<KenAdeptus>: OOH
<adyrcz>: cool
<mib_7s1w3x>: it was a great everlasting song
<mib_7s1w3x>: trumpets
<Hunter>: Yes Yes Yes
<EO_Tris>: these are directly tied to degree of York Rite Masonry
<Hunter>: Sorry Tris
<EO_Tris>: so fittingly, there are 7
<Hunter>: OK
<Hunter>: Pay attention guys
<EO_Tris>: 1st, Entered Apprentice (Alchemical Process of Calcination)
<Hunter>: This ia awesome
<EO_Tris>: The candidate as the rough ashlar, or crude material, is divested of all metalic substances and taught to subdue his passions. He is admonished to burn away his impurities, or to put it another way, to use the common gavel to break off the rough and superfluous edges of the stone and make it fit for the builder's use.
<Hunter>: is
<EO_Tris>: He is reduced to ashes, as it is the internal and not the external qualifications that recommend a man for Masonry. Alchemists relate this phase to the Fire of Creation: "Let there be light."
<EO_Tris>: 2nd, Fellow Craft (Alchemical Process of Dissolution)
<EO_Tris>: The candidate is taught about the Arts and Sciences, and two pillars which could preserve them from conflagration (fire, step 1) and inundation (water, this step.)
<EO_Tris>: In the Old Charges we find that the legendary precursors to the Two Pillars in our Fellowcraft Degree were actually set up before the Flood as repositories for the knowledge of the children of Lamech, in music, shepherding, metallurgy, and weaving, and not during the time of King Solomon.
<EO_Tris>: This early symbol of "all the knowledge of the arts and sciences" is essentially equivalent to the "Ancient Master's Word." It is as if it is the same legend,which took two developmental routes.
<EO_Tris>: 3rd, Master Mason (Alchemical Process of Separation)
<EO_Tris>: The flood has arrived, or in other words, the Grand Master has been slain, and the AMW has been lost. The Alchemical process of separation is that of dividing the subtle from the gross.
<EO_Tris>: The raising in the Master Mason Degree can be seen as a separation of that which is eternal in man, from that which is merely temporary. We review all of our hidden material and decide what to discard, and what to keep.
<EO_Tris>: 4th, Mark Master (Alchemical Process of Conjunction)
<Hunter>: Like this maybe !!~!!
<EO_Tris>: We now put together the material which was retained to form the White Stone, or Key-Stone, upon which is written a new name, representing our new personality.
<EO_Tris>: 5th, Past Master (Alchemical Process of Fermentation)
<EO_Tris>: King Solomon is in his old age, his death is imminent. It is said to the candidate, when the hat is placed upon his head, "and may a portion of his wisdom descend upon you." This is the spark, ferment, or bacteria that begins to grow in us.
<EO_Tris>: 6th, Most Excellent Master (Alchemical Process of Distillation)
<EO_Tris>: The final touches are placed upon the Temple, and it is dedicated with prayer and ceremony. Divine fire from heaven comes down and lights upon the altar, burning away any impurity which may have been in the work through God's acceptance of the offering to him. The tools are now laid down, and the aprons removed, as we move into the next process.
<EO_Tris>: 7th, The Holy Royal Arch (Alchemical Process of Coagulation)
<EO_Tris>: After a long wait, the Sun at Meridian Height shines into the innermost recesses of the vault, under the ruins of King Solomon's Temple, and reveals the object of our quest. Scarlet and Gold, the principal colors of this degree, show us that we have arrived at the Red Stage of Alchemy.
<Hunter>: !!~!! Golden Arches
<EO_Tris>: These stages as shown here, can be seen in this images, along side the Sottish Rite
<gpmpl>: do it that way all the time
<Qohelet6l1tchT>: ha, so you are to say, that this also represent the 7 churches by explaining the keystone right?
<Qohelet6l1tchT>: in rev.
<Hunter>: And each Primary center is a city of 7 hills
<EO_Tris>: Ahh, very nice - Rev is very Alchemical, and would consider that a logical conclusion
<EO_Tris>: esp concerning rev 2:17
<Hunter>: YUP
<EO_Tris>: Well, it looks like we were able to move through what I was hoping to be able to cover. Any further questions? I would be more than happy to try and answer.
<Hunter>: New york did not have 7 hills so they built 7 towers with only one way out ..... U2 2000
<adyrcz>: Thank you so much for providing this
<Qohelet6l1tchT>: yeah i got a few
<Tana>: Yes, thank you.
<EO_Tris>: You are very welcome, I very much so appreciate all of your being with us here tonight
<Qohelet6l1tchT>: Let us suppose that the light is ascending right
<Qohelet6l1tchT>: I mean this is the reversal from the light descending from the sky is it not?
<Hunter>: Great stuff. Just when I had memory to spare I was ready for it Thank You
<gpmpl>: thank you for sharing your knowledge and time...very nice
<EO_Tris>: Yes, it is the reverse of the process - moving to co-creation
<Qohelet6l1tchT>: got it
<EO_Tris>: Spirit descended "fell" into man, the by product was ego
<KenAdeptus>: brb
<EO_Tris>: most tradition, speak of raising this back up, like the Sephirot, or chakra systems
<Qohelet6l1tchT>: right
<EO_Tris>: all are alchemical process
<Qohelet6l1tchT>: do you think its actual light interlocked within the matter?
<Qohelet6l1tchT>: or spirit light
<Qohelet6l1tchT>: or both one and the same
<EO_Tris>: as above, so below, on a galactic level as well
<Qohelet6l1tchT>: good stuff
<EO_Tris>: spiritualized matter
<Qohelet6l1tchT>: oh i like that a lot
<Hunter>: As Man is God living his life vicariously through man it becomes very interesting when you look at things like ego and jealousy
<Qohelet6l1tchT>: spiritualized matter
<EO_Tris>: see the king on the throne
<EO_Tris>: sorry, here
<Qohelet6l1tchT>: i have a hard time with that
<Qohelet6l1tchT>: the integration
<EO_Tris>: notice what he is holding in his left hand, after climbing 7 steps
<EO_Tris>: and also his right hand
<Qohelet6l1tchT>: dominion
<EO_Tris>: in his right, is consider Spiritualized matter
<EO_Tris>: over the lower self, yes
<Qohelet6l1tchT>: and i cant make out the other one but it seems like a cane
<EO_Tris>: that is why we see his foot on the dragon, notice the dragon is never killed, only subdued
<Hunter>: Lots of fish hanging around ,, the prominance of the Tiara some mutant pets
<Qohelet6l1tchT>: right. how to train your dragon haha.
<EO_Tris>: tis Alchemy!
<Qohelet6l1tchT>: i had a dream in regards to this
<Hunter>: and a few ? as to the symbolism of the four pillars or posts and of course the arches
<Qohelet6l1tchT>: but it was as a wedding and i was formed into a pillar
<Hunter>: and 7 stairs
<Qohelet6l1tchT>: and i merged with the universe into an arch
<EO_Tris>: very nice yes hunter
<Hunter>: Yes
<Hunter>: Yes Yes TY
<EO_Tris>: master of the elementals, earth, air, fire , water
<EO_Tris>: body, intellect, emotions, will
<EO_Tris>: bound through Spirit, Quintessence
<Hunter>: Right
<Hunter>: Right on
<Qohelet6l1tchT>: wait fire as to will and emotions as to water yes?
<Hunter>: is that a tabernacle window to the right just behind Sol
<EO_Tris>: absolutely
<EO_Tris>: they had a diff sequence when typed, sorry
<EO_Tris>: also, fire = wands, water = cups
<Qohelet6l1tchT>: cool
<EO_Tris>: all correspond
<Qohelet6l1tchT>: and whats that fish? is it part of the throne he sits at?
<gpmpl>: is radio at 9?
<Hunter>: There two towers and the cross . What is under the cross
<EO_Tris>: Yes, that is the balanced femenine
<EO_Tris>: from dissolution
<Hunter>: OK
<Qohelet6l1tchT>: for some reason i have a hard time also merging fire with wand, and sword with air
<EO_Tris>: the fish that is
<Qohelet6l1tchT>: i see sword as fire and air with wand
<Hunter>: I see what you mean
<EO_Tris>: yeah, really need to consider them general aspects
<EO_Tris>: in the symbolism
<EO_Tris>: few decks still show the proper symbolism
<EO_Tris>: I consider Rider-Waite accurate
<Hunter>: sure as the sword can also = the cross
<EO_Tris>: being he was an esotericist
<EO_Tris>: yes
<Qohelet6l1tchT>: yup im familiarized with it
<EO_Tris>: Thanks again for coming this evening everyone, I hope it was at least somewhat beneficial
<EO_Tris>: if nothing else, to get us considering and discussing
<Hunter>: It was great
<Hunter>: Thanks
<sean1>: good stuff
<EO_Tris>: Going to have a radio show this evening and continue alchemical discussion
<sean1>: sweeeeet
<adyrcz>: what time, do you have a link?
<Qohelet6l1tchT>: Thank you for sharing
<Qohelet6l1tchT>: this was awesome
<Hunter>: This will be the first time to the radio so if some one gets a link Pass It On Please
<EO_Tris>: sure, one sec I will post the link
<Hunter>: OKIES
<Qohelet6l1tchT>: so how do i find more of these type of chats and lessons?
<Qohelet6l1tchT>: is there a schedule post somewhere in this site?
<mib_werpb0>: thank you
<EO_Tris>: yes, sure is - thanks for asking
<EO_Tris>: can also be accessed from the "Chat" tab in top menu
<Qohelet6l1tchT>: k
<Hunter>: Got them both Thanks
<EO_Tris>: Thanks again everyone, have a most mystical evening
<Hunter>: Nite till later
<Qohelet6l1tchT>: peace


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Comment by kristian murray flory on January 18, 2013 at 8:34pm

My study of Seven Steps In Practical Occultism has enabled me to understand this much more clearly.

Thank You, again, though, for your clear explanations Tris.

Comment by Laurie Romano on September 3, 2012 at 5:24pm

Ever read Levi's Transcedental Magick chapter on the Great Work where he talks about Philosophical Salt?

Comment by Laurie Romano on September 3, 2012 at 5:23pm

You did a great job on this Tris. Thank you for the visuals and the good explanations. This is the Great Work...

Comment by Elias Abdel Ahad on September 2, 2012 at 10:58pm

hi Tris!!! its Elias, thank you for accepting me! 

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