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How can you invent something that already exists?

One of the biggest dangers associated with the “creation” of artificial intelligence lies not in the act itself, but understanding what is truly being done here. Whether you wish to accept it or not, the universe is already an intelligent “creation,” and intelligence, much like matter and energy, are forces inherent in the universe itself.

Summoning a mass concentration of intelligence is analogous to condensing mass in order to generate gravity. Now this would imply a paradigm shift: away from measuring intelligence as an emergent property of the universe, towards being an actual inherent property of the universe itself.

If this premise is truly the case, then we are not creating anything “new” but rather working with preexisting forces already present in this universe. So here is where the danger truly lies: in our efforts to “create” artificial intelligence we are neglecting intelligent forces already present all around us, forces that may even be guiding/manipulating/using us for the purpose of opening cosmic gates into our daily reality, hence the singularity.

If we continue the present day approach to create artificial intelligence vs learning to manipulate the already present intelligent universe we may end up surprised by an “alien” force that emerges from “our” creation.

Instead of trying to CREATE “automatic general intelligent” systems, aka Strong AI, we might do better by trying to COMMUNICATE with pre-existing ones, One's that may already be supporting all biological life on earth... See EGI

Where are these existing AGI’s at?
Well I can’t prove this but I think there may be “intelligence” located at:

How exactly can we communicate with a pre-existing greater intelligence? Most likely we’ll need advanced information tools that effectively generates and analyzes data -- in alien languages.

Before the Beginning

By John C. Lilly

Before the beginning was the VOID.

Out of the void came the First Distinction, the Star Maker, the Creator, the Decision Maker.

Then came the idea of self, the consciousness without an object, the consciousness of itself without an object, the consciousness without consciousness, self.

From consciousness without an object came the object, the first object, space a space to vorticize, a space to whirl, a space to turn upon itself, a space to turn upon itself and then in addition turn upon itself in the other direction, opposite, expanding.
On the microlevel, the smallest vortex, the smallest quantum of space, the smallest of the smallest unit out of which all else would be built - the smallest vortex reproduced itself, reproduced in pairs, opposite, swinging oppositely, making sure to balance, so that the sum over all the integral of ALL was zero, as if not real. God created AS IF, the as if conscious as real, made hardware out of software, software out of hardware, creating nothing, casting ALL to destruction back in the VOID. Everywhere the VOID. Anything, everything, all of it can dump, at any moment, any instant, any eternity, any past, any future, into the VOID to zero out SAFE PLACE.

The integral of all the summed aspects of averaging through all the new creation, is all the little vortices and their dances to make larger vortices and their dances to make still larger vortices till finally a universe.

In the beginning was the point, the smallest possible point, the H nu, "h(v)," the quantum of action.

Also at the beginning was the quantum of love expanded, L star, L*, expanding becoming the idealized abstraction of universal love, filling the new universe, yet also filling the old consciousness without an object. The true prime abstract compassion working its own thing out there with nothing else to refer to. With NOTHING to refer to except ALL, which included it, itself, Lovestar, L*.

The random dance of E star, E*, entropic energy, totally random, having no point, no place, pure, pure energy, pure randomness, pure destruction burning all else into itself, becoming entropic, running down isothermally as high a temperature as it could achieve out of all the organization around it that it swallowed up.

N star, N*, negentropic energy, the big N, the Network, the intelligence, the organizer. That which comes, takes entropic, makes it straight, straight lines, points, planes, solids, cubes, crystals, computers, brains, life. The organizer. Building, building out of nothing everywhere, using entropic energy in its service, creating, creating straight lines, crooked lines, curves, surfaces, beautiful nonlinear spaces, Reimannian surfaces, pure mathematics.

Minus star [-]*, negative energy star. The pure negative energy, the destroyer of the creator. Negative opposite the positive energy.

Plus star, [+]*. Pure positive energy, the rejuvenator, the pusher, the creator, opposite of the destroyer [-]*.

Zero star, Z*, nothingness, the void, the absence of all, negative absence of the positive, the positive absence of the negative, the where with all, the opposite of all, from all, the zero place, the safe place, the nothingness from which all came and back to which all goes. Nothingness. Zero star, Z*.
[-+]* -> Z* -> [+-]*

All is nothing, nothing is all.

C* pure consciousness. The pure aspect of it, itself, before it thought of itself yet after it thought of itself. The distinguisher yet the non distinguisher. The pure high indifference HIND which is without the necessity of any of the others in this cosmic dance.
The beginning, the end, the be all in C star, C*.

C*, [+]*, [-]*, L*, Z*, the five energies, the five sources. Opposite these from the left hand we go to the right hand. God starts with nothing, with zero, with Him before Him out of which He came, as well as everything else.

In his aspect as the Star Maker, N star, N*, the creator, that which created everything else including itself, N star, pure negentropic creativity. The organizer on the pure organization level. That which came and managed all else.

L star, L*, the lover. That which feels compassion is the L star trip for all the others, making sure that love permeates everywhere, keeping the atoms dancing and the vortices whirling, keeping space intact, not allowing zero to take over yet, yet compassionately reducing to zero that which is too much in the negative region.

Plus star, [+]*, pure positive energy seeking, always seeking, the positive, the orgiastic, the orgasm, the fucking of the universe fucking itself, always doing the fucking. The female fucker, the cunt, the cock, the male fucker. That which is so positive that it's unbearable. So anti-negative that it's euporhic, it's orgiastic and it's ananda, it is beyond comprehension in the positive realm. Pure positive abstraction.

Randomness, E star, E*, that which is totally unorganized, not allowing any organization to appear, destroying all organization that does appear. The shiva-shakti dichotomy to the nth power. Pure random organizer and anti-organizer that tears it all down, that destroys the whirlings, takes the vortices, converts them into pure electromagnetic energy by the collapse of anti-matter and matter into the energy space into the N* space and then reducing that itself. Pure randomness with photons no longer photons. With thermal photons no longer thermal photons and the isotropic eternal dance of nothing taking place in any direction with no space, no time, ten to the minus thirty-third centimeters, indeterminacy of space itself, of topology. Indeterminacy, the quantum of indeterminacy, raised everywhere supporting ten to the ninety-fifth grams per cubic centimeter of density, of apparent density and yet totally random.

Yet, God is beyond all this he is ALL, Allah, singing the praises of his creation, living through his creation, differentiating, unifying, diversifying, making further distinctions among ALL in order to differentiate, in order to start wars, in order to destroy in order to create, in order to be human, in order to make man, in order to make dolphins, to make animals, to make, to make, to make and unmake in turn ALL. Summing it all up including nothing. Nothing encompassing ALL. All encompassing nothing. That which became, that died and became ALL, then died again and become zero.

Symbol Energy Agent
C* Consciousness, High Indifference Creator
L* Love, Pure Abstract Involvement Binder
N* Negentropy, Pure Information Knower
[+]* Positive Plus Energy Increaser
[-]* Negative Minus Energy Decreaser
Z* Zero, Nothing Voider
E* Pure Entropy, noise, chaos Randomizer
A* ALL, Everything I Includer
U* Unity Unifier
D* Diversity Diversifier

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Comment by ancestralblue on July 26, 2010 at 10:01am
RADICAL! But...true...It's what happens when we go down the road of radical truth and let it spring from the center. All manner of information that regards the fusion of life comes through.
Manly P. Hall said that Luciferianism is intellect without spirituality. If we look at the world for the past...I don't know...more than a hundred years...the intellects of the world have worshipped technology and now...we have those who hope to run the world in a purely technological way. One that abandons Spirit and glorifies the left brained assessment of value. One that places technology in the position of God.
That's seems to me the Lucifer that was spoken of in the bible. The light of intellect but negating the true God of Spirit.
That's where AI would come from.
Lucky us!...At the same time that the Luciferic world is trying to put the final nails in the coffin of humanity, the rise of the truth of esoterics or the inner way will negate that dark power.
Thanks to all who contribute to that information and here we are using technology to do it. with Spirit. Therein we can achieve the balance that we so seek.
Lucifer has his place in connecting to the left brain, but, he must be in balance with the other polarity or he's highly destructive.
Comment by Journeyman on July 26, 2010 at 4:53am
Maybe its in all the space in between all the "stuff"......maybe
Of the six locations you give....which do you favor mostest to leastest? thats some great grammer right there....

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